Ok I have a serious question now. No messing with PC or 49 just a question that I am mulling over. So on the 800's under the left side cover are 2 wires in the first picture and they are labelled for "Electrical Accessories" W/BL and BK/Y, one is negative and the other is of course positive, in the headlight pod the same thing......same wires ok.....
So I am looking at the connectors and I have never seen a blade that is large enough to slide in and can not find any, one of the auto electrical places suggested that the plugs were made to plug 2 wires into them, and I know about over loading and all that because I have been reading the other post with interest on this subject, but the plugs look like this = Top picture
the guy suggested that I use the bullethead plug as seen in the second picture.
I am looking to only power a MP3 player and a GPS at the most.....
so those bullethead plugs would work and be snug, am I on the right path here?
Seeing as how you are in Canada, the English term for these connectors is "dog dick"..(I worked for an English car dealer for about 5 years)...They are just slightly smaller than the standard ones you can buy at the auto parts (or Wal-Mart) store, but once they are connected, they are going to stay that way...They are fed by the same circuit, protected by 1 10 A fuse.
Ratman: So just go into Wal-Mart and ask for a bag of dog-dicks...
Seriously, though, if yours will fit snug, they should work fine. I prefer the heat-shrink connectors, but where you're at, it probably doesn't need to be. Make sure, though (on the B+ at least) when your new dog-thing is plugged in, there isn't any exposed metal to touch anything else. Your pic looks like they would be fine.
RatMan, I've always known the connectors in the Head Light bucket as "Bullet Connectors" Here's a couple sites that might help you out, You can crimp and solder them then add a terminal cover. Good Luck.
http://www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com/connectors.html
http://www.qualitycycleparts.com/motorcycle_connectors_s/7587.htm
http://www.kojaycat.com/Motorcycle%20connector.htm
Yup what you have should work. The curcuit under the seat is fused at 10 amps so your GPS or MP3 should work fine. I also use mine to plug in my battery tender.
I just figured, since he's Canadian...or Canadien...Ratman would appreciate the term Old Joe (the prince of darkness) Lucas used for these common connectors...and it brought up a whole flood of memories...Do you know what a winker bottle is? Have you ever polarized a dynamo? Back in the olde days when the British Auto industry was flourishing, I worked for a dealer in Huntington, N.Y. who sold M.G., Austin-Healey, Lotus, and TVR. Those cars generally had 2 fuses...35 amp (12.5a continuous) fuses...one for the lights and wipers, and one for everything else...and which one do you suppose would blow on a dark, rainy night????
Wait, I know,I know,......the one with the dog-dick spliced into it?
That was half the problem...they all had dog dick connectors! The British auto industry went to hell with the advent of British Leyland...All the manufacturers were lumped together...and collapsed together...kind of like what happened to their Motorcycle industry. The nice thing about the 2 fuse thing was that the wiring was simple and color coded...the French used all one color with little white numbers stamped on the wire every so often (we sold Renault and Peugeot, too)
ya, I remember the days. I use to own a TR3. British Leyland everything. Best friend owned an MGA,..I loved the TR,don't I wish I still had it. Would take an MGA as a second choice as well.
I just looked at those wires last night. I am going to use them on a relay for the power side of my driving lights. i will cut those connectors off and solder and shrinkwrap the wires together.
or...has anyone put the relay in the headlight bucket and used the aux wires in there?
Here's another good wiring option that I've used on occasion. I prefer heat shrink - crimp-type connectors, but sometimes these are easier and we've had good luck with them on automotive applications, trailer lights, etc., when needed. They're quicker than crimp connectors, and require only a pair of pliers (just about any type will work), no wire stripping, and they have gel in them for moisture/corrosion resistance. They are the 3M scotchloks, the 314 size is good for most wire you would use for a bike or auto (22-14). Just to clarify, these are a WHOLE LOT better than the cheap blue snap-together connectors like you get included with just about any type of electrical accessory - I throw those away, due to the fact I've seen a bunch of failures. Incidentally, 3M sells the cheap junk snap-together connectors, also branded Skotchlok (methinks a mistake on their part to label them both the same). I imagine the 3M brand snap-toghethers are somewhat better than the cheapie ones you get a dozen of in an electrical accessory, but I still don't trust them, not when there exists heat-shrink connectors or gel-filled scotchloks.
CONS: ***kind of big, compared to shrink-connector***kind of expensive ~$1 ea.
PROS: ***easy***quick***no special tools***gel-filled - weather resistant***can splice 3 wires*** sold on AMAZON so VDR gets $$$***
BEST OF ALL: NO STRIPPING REQUIRED (neither the wires, nor Ratman.....) :D
;D Thank you Gentleman, go to go to Wal-Mart and get some dog dicks.....or to the Auto supply place....lol....
:o Well Troll went to Wally World (Wal Mart) they had no clue as to dog dicks for electrical connectors were and the dude there was really old at least as olda s49 and PC he was really dusty. Figured he would know, then went to an auto place and got the deer in the head lights look. So going to use the ones I have, and I got some shrink tubing to cover them with and will make it right. Went and bought the rest of the parts and will mount it upo this weekend. Have a good nite.
Cut them off, solder-and shrink-tube on connectors you are used to, or go to Kawi and see if they have OEM connectors.
I believe I used these connectors to connect:
http://www.conrad.com/ce/nl/product/749830/
They fit nicely, no issues.
(https://www.vulcandrifterriders.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conrad.com%2Fmedias%2Fglobal%2Fce%2F7000_7999%2F7400%2F7490%2F7498%2F749830_LB_00_FB.EPS_80.jpg&hash=3630f6dc6ae4e6ad193af23cdee3a9acba1194a4)
Quote from: CDNRatMan on March 06, 2013, 15:36:25 PM
So I am looking at the connectors and I have never seen a blade that is large enough to slide in and can not find any, one of the auto electrical places suggested that the plugs were made to plug 2 wires into them, and I know about over loading and all that because I have been reading the other post with interest on this subject, but the plugs look like this = Top picture
the guy suggested that I use the bullethead plug as seen in the second picture.
I am looking to only power a MP3 player and a GPS at the most.....
so those bullethead plugs would work and be snug, am I on the right path here?
We call them crimp bullet connectors and they come in different colors for different thickness..the figure eight socket is so you can attach two items in one socket..the bullet connector you show will work with that socket which will be a bit loose but you can close the socket with a pair of pliers to make a tight fit or you can use the red connector which (I think) is slightly bigger...while you are asking for a dog dick connector you could also ask for some film perforations for unperforated film, a left handed screwdriver/hammer, a bucket of steam and a larger wrench or a longer piece of string.
John.
Yellow is for 14 ga, blue for 16, and red for 18.....I always liked solder and heat shrink, but crimp works if you have a good crimping tool that makes a "W" crimp, not just squashing them in the middle...Put some heat shrink in the wire before you crimp, and then slide it up over the blue (or red, or yellow) insulator on the connector, and warm it up to seal out the Canadian weather.....
ok so the blue worked really well they fit really snug, and yes I used shrink tubing on all the connections. JH I have shippeda snow snake out to Troll as pay back along with a really nice framed picture of myself in the snow.........see who laughs last......
Used apower source from a snowmachine/marine grade........
Do yaguys in sunnier climes know about snow snakes? Ya gotta watch 'em; if you don't know, I'll let the Ratman explain it to ya......
Are snow snakes like snowhawks?
After seeing the snow angel pic, I REALLY don't want to see any Canadian snow snakes... :o
ok hijack my one serious post and you want to know about the deadly snowsnake.......
So Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Nations had a legend of the deadly and teriffying snow snake. They are while in colour and lay hidden on the top of fresh fallen snow and blend right in. Often Onondaga men travel to the different communities of the Haudenosaunee to hunt this fantastic animal, they have a really awesome flavour if cooked with wild onions and garlic. The snakes are only 3/4 of an inch in diameter so hunters are very careful to get the best snakes, this size seems to make the best meals, they grow to be at least 6 ft long however. You can google this and see if I am right. I can say that as a child growing up in a norhtern commuinity we actually had dealings with snowsnake.
ok after this I will get back to my mod on this subject
Quote from: Troll on March 08, 2013, 19:25:24 PM
Are snow snakes like snowhawks?
Troll... I took the liberty of obtaining a reference photo to show the variations between snow snakes and snow hawks... The snow hawk is the one with the wings... The snow snake is the meal!
LQTM
Quote from: CDNRatMan on March 08, 2013, 22:03:55 PM
ok hijack my one serious post and you want to know about the deadly snowsnake.......
So Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Nations had a legend of the deadly and teriffying snow snake. They are while in colour and lay hidden on the top of fresh fallen snow and blend right in. Often Onondaga men travel to the different communities of the Haudenosaunee to hunt this fantastic animal, they have a really awesome flavour if cooked with wild onions and garlic. The snakes are only 3/4 of an inch in diameter so hunters are very careful to get the best snakes, this size seems to make the best meals, they grow to be at least 6 ft long however. You can google this and see if I am right. I can say that as a child growing up in a norhtern commuinity we actually had dealings with snowsnake.
ok after this I will get back to my mod on this subject
So why not wait until summer when all the snow is gone and the snow snake stands out like a trud in a swimming pool..and also when you kill a snow snake does a snow angel take it to heaven..
Who was the first man to look at a snail and say I wonder if that would taste better with salt on it..
John.
And...think about the first one to eat a lobster......What the hell do you do with this, anyway? As far as the snowhawk, I was referring to the ridge of snow that develops on your car hood or roof as you drive through a blizzard.....I've never seen a snow snake, but plenty of tar snakes.
ok let us answer this in order.....
JH = snow snakes can not be seen on the snow then they are like the Ptarmigan is the common name of birds of the genus Lagopus, it may refer to: Rock Ptarmigan, Lagopus muta, known as Ptarmigan in Europe; Willow Ptarmigan, Lagopus lagopus, or Willow Grouse; White-tailed Ptarmigan, Lagopus leucura, restricted to United States and Canada.
Bake that is not a snow snake it is not white.
tar snakes are made on the road........
ok I used to play with snow snakes as a child into my teen years it is a very interesting game amoung the natives in Northern Canada.
Ok..ok...ok......is the object of this conversation to confuse the hell out of everyone because I'm lost that's for sure.Never mind trying to spell all these unfamiliar names....trying to pronounce them is a whole nother story.What ever happened to the Abominable Snow man who ate these snow snakes?...or the famous Big Foot who could shread tires with his bare hands causing more tar snakes then one could shake a stick at........ahhhhh never mind ..... :o
The only snow snakes we get are yellow..
And how did we get from a sensible question about electrical connections to balderdash..
And are tar snakes just smaller road gators..
John.
At least on this side of the water, road gators are the parts of semi truck tires that somehow get separated from the rest of the tire...tar snakes are the strips of sealant or rubber insulators put between road sections, or more properly, the patch stuff the highway department puts in to "fix" cracks, that works it's way out, or remains slippery through out it's life span.
Quote.What ever happened to the Abominable Snow man who ate these snow snakes?...or the famous Big Foot who could shread tires with his bare hands
well I think that is really not that nice to speak of 49 in such a manner, he is really deep down a nice fella. Notice that it was himself who hijacked my thread about a serious question to snakes and snow, and tar snakes to top it off. Poor JH he is going to think all Montonians are like him.....confussed....
D1 if you have trouble with them names waht do you do about half the cities and counties in the sate you reside in....lol.......
The Arctic Snowsnake is VERY deadly; many trappers, outdoorsmen, anyone who spends a lot of time outdoors can be in danger from these...they commonly get people who have to answer the call of nature in the great outdoors, and brush off a log to sit on while tcob. The snowsnake then...are ya ready for this?.....they then....crawl up your butt and freeze you to death!! :o :o :o ;D ;D
I Call "Thread-Jack Alert"... Or is it too late?
"LQTM"
Methinks you is too late!!
my poor thread......at least I go my answers and my work done......
Quote from: 49Reo on March 12, 2013, 19:14:16 PM
The Arctic Snowsnake is VERY deadly; many trappers, outdoorsmen, anyone who spends a lot of time outdoors can be in danger from these...they commonly get people who have to answer the call of nature in the great outdoors, and brush off a log to sit on while tcob. The snowsnake then...are ya ready for this?.....they then....crawl up your butt and freeze you to death!! :o :o :o ;D ;D
So...related to the one eyed trouser snake..with the same mode of attack as the Australian dunny spider..
John.
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D1 if you have trouble with them names waht do you do about half the cities and counties in the sate you reside in....lol.......
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This high jacked thread has me in tears......after reading these posts I can't stop laughing!
Ratman the answer to your question is simple,and I can't believe you didn't think of it.I simply ask Aidan ;) ;D
please do not let Aidan read this........but for his own knowledge you being an outstanding father and teacher have him google snowsnake game among the Indians of North America. Very interesting and a lot of fun too.