here are some pictures of the underside of the 800 Drifter.
1. left side of bike and the tab and the round part of the frame. interfere.
2. This is the mono shock and not a lot of room between it and the swing arm frame
3. You see the engine is hanging lowwr then the frame
4. From the other side
There's a lot for a jack to clear on a 1500 too.
;) Sorry but never looked up under your 1500 so not sure.
Drift1 here is were I am now, I picked up 2x2x14" sq tubing and 2x2x14" angle iron, the angle iron is a great fit, the sq tubing proved to be too high, and even if someone were to hold the bike upright it still is a really hard fit, so I am going to go with a 1" flat stock and see if that will work for me. I did some as a mock up and once it is welded I'll epoxy some rubber inside the angle iron to protect the frame.
You can also see the cut out for the joint on the left side of the machine is there and it fits nice and tight. Good thing is I have at least 2 months to do this, have it for March so I can have the bike ready for the spring and time to ride so I can take my time and make it work right......if all else fails call one of my USAF buddies and have him ship me a Black widow lift.......$69.99 is not that bad......
Ooooooh...acorn nuts and nylon washers...must be the expensive model. I got mine at Sam's club for $100 about 15 yrs. ago...no fancy fittings, just 1/2" bolts with plain nuts....not even any washers..
;) on sale at Canadian Tire for $69.99......lol.....just too bad it did not work right but by the end of the month i'll have it or it will be in the scrap pile.....lol
RATMAN looks like you have been busy,my man.Thanks for that updated info & pics.I don't know if you have this link or not,but a good friend sent me this.Think this is what we been after.Go into the section Gadget's Tool box then click on lift design...Thanks PC....please ignore if you already have this......Did some of the previous post get deleted or something? ??? ??? ?
Yes seen them and asked around and seems that is for the 1500, not the 800 Drifter. also the frame is sitting on the small part and does not seem stable if you are going to working on it......jmo.
:-\.......aaahhhh,man!Had no idea.sorry RATMAN.Havn't had a chance to even start tinkering with that project yet.
I wasn't aware that the first one in that link wouldn't work for an 800.
Yes I asked around, sorry now that I never kept the emails or the info collected but I have as of yet have to find a kit/adapter for the 800 once I get mine done and working I'll check it against the one there and see if the mesurments fit. Also I personal do not like the frame sitting on that small bit of metal...if you wrench hard or move the wrong way the bike can slide off the lift...not a good thing if you live alone....
Does the 800 have a tab hanging down off of the frame like the 1500, or is the bottom of the frame smooth from front to back on both sides? Hard to tell from the pics.....
there is a tab hanging down on both sides, again a problem is i have never seen a 1500 in person, but when I contated the people who made the other adapters they told me it would not fit an 800. I sent emails to a lot of lift companies and got the same response. If I had a 1500 colse by I could check the measurements....
The 1500 has a tab towards the back of the right frame rail, but none on the left. I can get you some measurements if you like.
after wrok tomorrow I will ge them and compare to yours and then check that drawing out once more and ask one of my machinest buddies to look it over too. Thanks
Quote from: pcarrell on December 09, 2012, 18:33:33 PM
The 1500 has a tab towards the back of the right frame rail, but none on the left. I can get you some measurements if you like.
Mine has a tab on both sides; I made my adapter to hang from these tabs.
Regards and such,
49Reo
mine do not holes in them and they are not that big really...size to come tomorrow...
ok stuff happened and I never got the pic's up, but anyway the 2x2's did not work as I wanted them to the mono shock is in the way. So today I went to a buddy's shop and he lent me a hand, we cut some flat stock and some 2x2x2" lifts. Now this weekend I'll be working on it, I have a Santa gig Friday night for a Sqn Family party.....36 kids to deal with for about an hour.
So the plan is the flat stock will take the palce of the 2x2x14's. I'll take pic's Sat as I tweek it, it is at present cut and tacked into palce and this allows me to move parts and get them lined up correctly. Ok later.
ok well after a couple of attemps I came very close to admiting defeat on this project. The driving to my buddies garage to use his plasma cutter and welding tools, about an hour drive one way was getting to be a bit much to make little adjustments and then finding they were off. So today I was sitting there thinking about it and I tried something and it seems to be working, I can lift the rear of the bike and take some weight off the front wheel but not enough to do a tire change. But then after more thinking I might have that solved just have to wait till stores are open so I can get a bit of metal to try something. Never admit defeat......I can thnak Chilli for that last thought.....
PC the 800 has 2 tabs that hang down and those gave me a start on the idea....thanks
49 the tabs will be the focal point of my lift. Thansk for that idea to...lol......community idea it was......
off to go and clean the driveway and such till I can find some scrap metal.....
Put yer pants on first.....
pants on the jack? why?
;) ok back to it and I was almost done with this and ready to put it on the backburner, and just go and spent the funds on a jack like Troll's. Till I thought of something I had read about driving up on a 2x4 or something. My issue is most of the time I want to tweek, tinker, do work on the bike I am alone and safety is paramount in my mind for both me and the bike. I can not move that heavy floor jack about and hold the bike upright to get it under there. Again depending on how bad my arthritis is affecting me at that time I cannot bend over or kneel down to move the jack about either. Then in the smae problem I can not move fast enough if the bike is falling, so I have to think this out and I am sure I might have it now, so off to try it.....
Drifter1 here we go, the whole jack is heavy and unweilding to move around if you are alone and in a tight space. But I finally think I have it figured out.
Jack height compressed with the required spacers is 5.5"
tab on the low side is 5.25
frame on low side is 6"
grease nipple on the mono shock is 4.75"
tab on high side is 7.75"
frame is 8" on high side.
found some flat stock to allow the lift to match the frame original arms were 12" extended them out to 15", then had to cut a section out for the mono shock nipple.
I then added some square stock that was 17x2x1" to make it lift the frame.
part of the issue is that the mono shock is really low and gets in the way...
as you can see the mono shock hangs lower then the tabs on either side that is the reason for the 1" spacers. the only issue now is that the front is in a down angle due to the tabs, but this will be solved bu using a couple of wooden spacers and you can use a couple of diffrent thicknesses to get the lift you want to get the front tire to clear or to just take the weight off the front tire
Now all said and done the reason I was missing a lot was I needed help in getting the lift to clear the frame and tabs but how.....a chunk of 2x6x6 to lift it to slightly off level but yet balanced on the side stand and sturdynow I can move around and manoeuvre the lift into place around the mono shock.....then add the spacers for the front and bingo it is up and safe, this lift also has a safety feature of a lock to keep it from going down over time....really nice feature to have. The front wooden peices of course need to be cut to the correct size to make them secure, and the weight of the bike will hold them in place.
Tomorrow I'll go and get it welded up and see if it works then....fingers crossed...thanks 49.....
I've seen you've been pretty busy there,good fella.Thanks for the much needed info,RATMAN.See I have the same problem as you as far as manuvering the bike and jack by myself goes.See ,my garage has no heat so I bring the bikes inside to the man cave,were It's warm and I can tinker with them without freezing my buns off.That being said I really dont want to add more weight to the jack being I would have to carry it down a slight hill to one of the side doors or down 12 steps on the other side door.Think I'm going to have to order the smaller jack for the winter months and leave the modified jack in the garage for riding season use.If your confused by all this,don't feel bad,cause I am myself ???.....I have the miss's in one ear & my son in the other as I'm trying to write....... :P
I'll let you know the final weight once I am done.......and I have to carry it into the house too, and I am a lot older then you.....
I appreciate it ,bud.
Quote from: CDNRatMan on December 30, 2012, 17:42:24 PM
I'll let you know the final weight once I am done.......and I have to carry it into the house too, and I am a lot older then you.....
. ;D there's so much I could say to this,but you've been working so hard,I'm not going to draw my weapon,my man
QuoteThat being said I really dont want to add more weight to the jack being I would have to carry it down a slight hill to one of the side doors or down 12 steps on the other side door
I said ....I'll let you know the final weight once I am done.......and I have to carry it into the house too, and I am a lot older then you.....
Quotethere's so much I could say to this,but you've been working so hard,I'm not going to draw my weapon,my man
Rich not much you can say I am older then you, and I still have to move it from the shed to the house and that means carrying it, so I am not sure what you can say. But then i am old School and I understand if I want it doen I need to do it myself because I can not rely on others to do my work for me.
My man,doing things on your own to make things happen isn't "old school" that's what we call "self sufficient".....walking to the shed bare footed...up hill...both ways.... in a snow storm with an ice cold glass of freshly brewed potatoe moonshine to get the jack.....now that's "old school",let's not get the two confused,bud...lmao
don't forget in your grandfather's pj's
ok my bike ahs been on the jack now for 2 full days and it is really stable and the safety feature has not let it down any. So we now are set.
Troll take a look at how hight the rear tire is now, I will be able to sit in a stool and clean my rear tire and rim to met your expectations, so once the snow is gone and the weather warm enough ...sorry above freezing I'll get right on that rear tire. I have named my lift PC, because it has to carry such a weight on its back......lol...
Good job RATMAN,have you lifted the whole bike up,yet?Sure makes it easier and comfortable to work from a stool,that's for sure.What's the max height on your set up any way? 12-15"
See, this is why I don't like whitewall tires...you have to clean them! Chrome engine bits, and such clean them selves in the rain
Troll, blackwalls are easier to maintain, but the looks of the WW when they are kept clean is such a sweet look and I personally like it more so I'll stick with them...
Drifter1, took it up to the second level and the lift was starting to tilt forward due to the weight of the bike not being fully centered, but that would be an easy fix. But the lift has three safety holds, and on the first one the lift is at 8.5 inches and the rear tire is 5" off the ground. At the second level the rear tire is 9" of the ground and the lift height is 12". At this time I don't see any need to go and higher, I will be removing the front tire later in the month and perhaps then I might have to lift it higher, but I don't think so. If need be I can block the front part of the bike at the second level and lower the lift and the rear will drop and the front will rise and bingo tire is removed.
Just make sure you compensate for the weight you're removing from the bike. Wouldn't want "bad stuff" to happen!
lol that is something a lot of people would never have thought of......lol the weight of the front tire coming off and then watch it go over backwards.......lol........I'll have some help when the tire is removed just for that reason......and so my hands don't get dirty let them do the work I'll supervise.
RATMAN,I agree...the second safety level on your jack is plenty high enough.With the bike 12" and rear tire 9" off the ground you'll be pretty comfy on one of those stools working on the bike.That's high enough to clean the under carriage,do oil changes etc.I wouldn't try to go any higher then that especially with no one around for safety reasons.Glad your project was a success for comfort.
;) ok spent the day hunting up an old scissor jack.....man some hard to find them when you want one......got a couple of ideas for it and I'll run them by here once I get some time for posting it, I'll have to ask permission from PC to post a few more pictures, seems he is shy of me posting pictures for some reason.......
You can post pics......just none with people in them!
Can't wait to see your pics of your work in progress.You know,honestly you should document taking both the rear and front tire off with pics for tips/mods section.Chief told me he would like to add more to that section of the forum.Just a thought.If not I plan on removing my rear this weekend
Quote from: Drift1 on January 31, 2013, 04:47:09 AM
I plan on removing my rear this weekend
I've heard of weight loss plans but that's a bit extreme..
Seriously though, when I am doing major work I use a scaffold tower to support the bike with straps, that way I can push pull and rock the bike without fear of it falling over..
John.
thats a great idea John. I am going to have to keep my eyes open for a scaffolding setup.
ok because of the mono shock and the engine hanging down lower then the frame I madified the motorcycle jack to work, the bike has a slight lean forward and the front tire remains on the ground. as the forks extend, so to be safe I decide to get an old scissor jack ($10.00) at the wreckers, removed the top plate and put my own on it that was a bit larger and for this application I used a peice of wood for now, this will prevent the bike from moving forward when the rear tire is removed, and I can lift the front of the bike to bring the rear tire to the ground when I am removing the front tire, works for me....
and in place the bike will not move forward as the tire is remove or tip backward...
Ratman, like you, I've struggled getting my 800 up and stable on the jack. I just came across this post and am getting caught up. I have a few ideas as well, that I'd like to try.
Well my bike has been up here since I finished the main jack, and not an issue very stable and sturdy, I made the small jack for the weight transfer when I removed the wheels, just for my own piece of mind. Had the rear wheel off and not a issue, then replaced the wheel and removed the front one, no movement on the jack. I have worked on the bike, polished it and moved it around no issues, albeit I have used the safety catches so it can't go down. I am sure if I had an extra person and a cement floor or a floor I was not worried about I could move it about to put it away or move it to the middle of the floor.
So I am really happy with the turn out for $15.00 total cost I think I spent and the round of beer but that does not count....
*BUMP*
lol ok after all summer today I got the lift adaption finished, and painted........here it is now all finished. The wooden spacers are to keep the bike level while on the lift, they can not be on the lift until it is slid under the mono shock and the grease fittings in the swing arm......
think even OCD Mr perfect GB would approve of this other then the size of the welds......
So the wood blocks go to the rear, on either side of the mono shock?
nope the rear of the frame near the back has two tabs......that rest on the lift and the blocks go to the front of the frame just in front of the side stand and spring, once I get the bike on the stand I can show you, unless I have one already from last year.....sec..
Quote from: CDNRatMan on September 29, 2013, 00:24:04 AM
nope the rear of the frame near the back has two tabs......that rest on the lift and the blocks go to the front of the frame just in front of the side stand and spring, once I get the bike on the stand I can show you, unless I have one already from last year.....sec..
Gotcha. looks like it fits well.
it works really well and once you put the safety lock into the first spot it is really stable and steady. never have to worry about the bike falling over or anything. Only con is that it is a heavy piece of kit to move around under the bike and takes a bit to use.
I built my own lift adapter for my bike lift. The lift itself will barely fit under the bike; with the adapter on, it will not go under the bike. I solved that problem by putting a piece of 2x6 about a foot long and tapered on one end on the floor in front of both tires, roll the bike up on those, and then the jack slides right under. I' would like to know what bike lift that guy who sells the adapters uses; it looks to be a lower model than any I have seen.
;D never thought of the blocks of wood but that is a bang on idea....lol......as for the lifts that seem to fit really well and easy under the bike, I have yet to see them being slide under the bike,.
Quote from: CDNRatMan on October 01, 2013, 15:59:09 PM
;D never thought of the blocks of wood but that is a bang on idea....lol......as for the lifts that seem to fit really well and easy under the bike, I have yet to see them being slide under the bike,.
Or, Ratman, here's a better idea: cut a hole in your living room floor, then put the jack down so it is level with the floor. Pull the handle out, and cover it with a bear skin or something. Then you can just drive your bike over it and easily jack it up!
mmmmmmm Mr. GreenBarn Sir it seems that you might have a really good idea there...........
cut a small hole in the floor, in the direction of the joists, make the jack level with the floor or just under the floor level, false top to cover the lift.......we have the next 7 days as non-paid days so I'll be home and mmmmmm skill saw, sawsall, zip saw, air nailer and cordless screwdriver....and 7 days ......
Oh-oh. Ratmans gonna wreck his house....someone head over there with a video camera to capture it for all to see...
I'll have you know my favorite mushroom raiser that I am a pretty competent DIY'er........did all my reno's on the house myself.....and they are all done right
Now, now. Take a pill. I was only teasing. Maybe you shouldn't be wearing your tinfoil hat so much. Lately you have become a bit sensitive... :D
not sensitive just letting you know...lol.......when I move out west I can help you with your house
Quote from: CDNRatMan on October 01, 2013, 19:24:06 PM
mmmmmmm Mr. GreenBarn Sir it seems that you might have a really good idea there...........
cut a small hole in the floor, in the direction of the joists, make the jack level with the floor or just under the floor level, false top to cover the lift.......we have the next 7 days as non-paid days so I'll be home and mmmmmm skill saw, sawsall, zip saw, air nailer and cordless screwdriver....and 7 days ......
Just dig a service pit under the floor, like those quick oil change places have.
You won't believe this, but when I was spec'ing my house to be built years, ago, I was thinking of adding this. Cheap to do when the house is being built.
;)oh going to get a hammering on this reply....but I got it to do....DC letf the door wide open......
QuoteI was spec'ing my house to be built years, ago
Dearest DC,
there is only yourself on this forum of fantastic members who was alive and able to understand these things when my home was built in 1947, most of us were not even a thought in a sack at the time let alone thinking of building our own home like you were back then.....
I am so bad, just be gald he is not sensitive about his age......lol...
You young whipper-snappers think yer so smart. You know nothing. My first house was built in 1904 and came complete with a mummified cat in the wall. I found this out when I became the new owner and gutted most of the insides to redo the whole thing. The inside walls were crumbling plaster/lathe. Much of the house still had the old knob and tube wiring. Not many of you know what that is, you young bean sprouts. I had to quickly rewire the place, as small fires were starting in the outlet, switch, and fixture boxes, because the cloth insulation on the wire was crumbling away. The little insulation in the walls was rolled up newspaper. . . very old crumbling newspaper. I also found some old coins in the framing, I guess from the workmen. . . coins from 1900 to 1903 or so.
I only had one wife at the time. I attended many cult meetings as a way to form my own cult business plan.
lol ;D :o thanks for my morning laugh.....
notice on your profile that you have a lot of info missing, AMW have a show with you on it did they. I know why you have nothing under age, and I am sure Chief can correct that and make age a three digit entry for them older folks most of us only need 2 spots.....lol......
Quote from: CDNRatMan on October 03, 2013, 10:45:15 AM
lol ;D :o thanks for my morning laugh.....
notice on your profile that you have a lot of info missing, AMW have a show with you on it did they. I know why you have nothing under age, and I am sure Chief can correct that and make age a three digit entry for them older folks most of us only need 2 spots.....lol......
Are you saying I'm old? :o Well, I'm not THAT old, but I have two Egyptian sarchoguses. One I was buried in, the first time I died. I decide to buy two, and get the additional discount. Got them from a guy that also sold used camels. I had accumulated massive debts from huge building projects. So they had me revived, many years later, so I could continue to pay off the debts. So don't be fooled into thinking that your debts go away when you die.
Since I'm not using them at the moment, I converted my sarcophaguses into book storage. I'll show them to you, if you stop by on the way to the Drift In. Here's a pic of one of my many great great great great great great great great great grandsons (descendants) next to one of them.
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Here's a pic of my old ride. Should have had it restored instead of trading it in for the Yugo. Oh well, live and learn.
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I would drop in on my way to Drift in but DC is pretty far out of my way to get there......cool book case.....seeing as I like to read I might have to build me a case like that .....lol
oh and let us not say you are old, how about more mature then the rest of the members......