Our "LAW ENFORCEMENT" at it's worst.

[49Reo]

Lol, thats cool.

[moosewing3]

We also have the 3 strikes thing where they dry you out twice, but that makes sense as we both work for the treasury board, as well as the fit for duty, released after your well again. I've been lucky I guess, riding when I'm overwhelmed is enough of an outlet for me. Found these, sums it up pretty much for me lol

[CDNRatMan]

  The CF has always had a policy of releasing people once they are healthy again or that the medical experts have deemed them as they will ever be. This covers all situations, point in case, a friend of mine had spinal cancer, he lost 4 years of his life as he fought to beat it. Today he is cancer free, but they took care of him till he reached a level of fitness that he is at now. People with drinking problems are sent on normally 2 "spin dry " courses, after that they are administrative burdens and released. You see it in a lot of jobs were people are protected, but then some have the opposite outlook.
Colorado is an at will State, fired at will with nor reason or expectation of a reason, and you can quit at any time no reason given.

[moosewing3]

I agree that it was an abuse of power and was in no way jumping on anyone, just trying to make a point about how we don't hear any of the good. Kind of sensitive lately I guess as it seems to be an all day media barage of armchair quarterbacks who most likely have never been involved in anymore of a conflict than arguing over where to have coffee. my biggest issue with the whole incident was that they obviously knew where to look which means the "scrapped" gun registry is still floating around out there.

[49Reo]

There are bad apples in any workplace. With law enforcement we only ever hear about the bad ones. Rare is the story about the counles people saved or simply comforted. Why? Because it is an everyday thing, it's happening right now somewhere. Let's talk about the fact that there are people hunting, literally huntng LEOs because they chose a career that most people don't have the sack to do. As far as the story about cops being charged or not with drinking and driving well Reo and Ratty you're both Canadian so you know it's illegal to fire someone for having a substance abuse problem without first giving them a chance to dry out. Ratty how many Forces personnel have you known over the years sent away for "sobriety training"? No occupation is perfect

Apparently you did not read this part of my post, Mooswing3;

And all this being said, I am not "running down" the RCMP as a whole; just those who perpetrated these injustices on people who had already lost enough. Just to clarify......

it was directed at those who perpetrated this injustice, not all police. It would be ridiculous to say "they are all the same".  Kind of like saying that because someone held up a liquor store at gunpoint or someone shot someone in a gang-fight we need to remove firearms from the law abiding in an effort to prevent the lawless from perpetrating their crimes.That being said,it would not matter what profession you are part of; this (the High River incident) was an abuse of power.

[John Hopkins]

Reo and Ratty you're both Canadian so you know it's illegal to fire someone for having a substance abuse problem without first giving them a chance to dry out.

Wow.. that is ridiculous..no wonder there are so many zero hours contracts.. why would anyone want to employ a drug addict or non functioning alcoholic.. how could any firm make a living if it had to support a non functioning workforce..

Who thinks up these stupid rules..

John.

[moosewing3]

There are bad apples in any workplace. With law enforcement we only ever hear about the bad ones. Rare is the story about the counles people saved or simply comforted. Why? Because it is an everyday thing, it's happening right now somewhere. Let's talk about the fact that there are people hunting, literally huntng LEOs because they chose a career that most people don't have the sack to do. As far as the story about cops being charged or not with drinking and driving well Reo and Ratty you're both Canadian so you know it's illegal to fire someone for having a substance abuse problem without first giving them a chance to dry out. Ratty how many Forces personnel have you known over the years sent away for "sobriety training"? No occupation is perfect

[John Hopkins]

Well, hmmmmm....................

http://www.wthr.com/story/24702081/2014/02/12/david-bisard-back-in-court

This hits close to my home!  The tie-in here that isn't in the story is that in the first incident, the one he's convicted of and is currently serving a sentience of, he was convicted if driving drunk, in his cop car, and plowing into three motorcyclists who were stopped at a red light and killing two of them and critically, and permanently injuring the third motorcyclist quite badly.  This all happened not far from where I live.  Public outrage was such that they had to move the first trial to another part of the state, hours away.

I would be willing to bet that his lawyer will (or has) launched an appeal and that he only serves a fraction of the sentence that any joe public would serve..

John.

[pcarrell]

Well, hmmmmm....................

http://www.wthr.com/story/24702081/2014/02/12/david-bisard-back-in-court

This hits close to my home!  The tie-in here that isn't in the story is that in the first incident, the one he's convicted of and is currently serving a sentience of, he was convicted if driving drunk, in his cop car, and plowing into three motorcyclists who were stopped at a red light and killing two of them and critically, and permanently injuring the third motorcyclist quite badly.  This all happened not far from where I live.  Public outrage was such that they had to move the first trial to another part of the state, hours away.

[49Reo]

A couple of years ago an officer in Vancouver struck and killed a motorcyclist while driving his child home in their Jeep. He fled the scene on foot, returning after taking his son to safety (home) consuming  QUntity of alcohol then returned to the site, saying "it shook him up so bad he had to go home for a drink" thereby effectively ruining any chance of getting him on a DUI at scene. Had that been Joe Citizen, they would have thrown the book at him. He was eventually charged, cannot remember for what. Definitely seems to be two Justice" systems, one for them and one for us. \or as an RCMP constable said to my wife and I, the "Injustice System"...

[CDNRatMan]

  Ok John we had a local constable charged last year for DUI, at the time of his arrest he refused to give a breath sample, he was asked 5 times to provide a sample before they said they would charge him for failing to provide, at which time he provided, now this was some 5 hours later. Due to this and some other issues that they claim tainted his arrest, he did lose his license to drive for a year, and was placed on administrative duties for a year till he got his license back, at full normal pay.
Ok yesterday it was announced that said officer was being charged for DUI a second time from being followed by the OPP and charged by them and once more he went through the refusing to provide a sample of breath.
If that was a normal person, they would have been fired and charged within minutes for refusing to provide.

[John Hopkins]

I'm outside of this one but I would like to ask a question..

With any large Police force, do you think that when corruption or stupid policing is uncovered at any level that the instigators should be removed from their posts immediately without pay as being unable to do the job they were employed to do..or do you think it is ok to spend a lot of public money on a showcase trial with a highly paid lawyer trying to either put a gloss on it or sweep it under the carpet..

Before you answer bear in mind that if you worked in a factory and you could not do your job you would be fired..

John.

[49Reo]

I agree, Chief. There are a LOT more good cops vs bad cops; we do hear more about the "bad cops" more, because that sells news. That being said, those in charge of the confiscation in High River knew they were doing the wrong thing; otherwise they would not have sent ALL the RCMP stationed in High River to different areas before they started "doing the right thing." And telling a homeowner the reason they kicked down interior passage doors that don't even lock "because nothing feels as good as kicking down a door" is clearly abusing their power. THAT being said, why are the RCMP (rhetorical question here) stonewalling the investigation in to these allegations? Only they can answer that question. As a responsible forearms owner, it is discouraging to hear of people doing the right thing and being penalized for it.

{Sigh} and I do rant on....lol

And all this being said, I am not "running down" the RCMP as a whole; just those who perpetrated these injustices on people who had already lost enough. Just to clarify......

[chief]

Not to go too far afield... I come from an LEO family, did some of that work myself. My Dad was a Chief of Police, after I left for the Navy. Most cops do a good job, but there are some who don't. I've run into my share of both kinds.  When you deal with the worst of society everyday of your working life, you can easily get into a mindset where you think everyone is the same. That can lead to abuses. The real danger is when cops stop thinking of themselves as part of the community. Once we did away with "beat" cops, we started losing that sense of community. The US vs THEM mentality sets in... on both sides.

Honestly, knowing what I know about police forces of the 60's and 70's, I'd say they have gotten much, much, better as a whole over the years. Now that we have 24/7 news cycles we here all the dirt, all the time. Good news is rarely considered "news".
During Katrina the NG was actually confiscating firearms from people in and around NO. They thought they were doing the right thing... their officers and NO officials should have known better.
Such abuses and failures are still the exception rather than the rule. We don't want to fail into the trap of stereotyping everyone based upon the few.

[greenbarn]

I believe the announcer called is a "stunning abuse of power"....    Sounds like this abuse of power is on the rise these days.  Is bad law enforcement on the rise these days, or do we just hear more about it because of increased social media?   Seems to me it's on the rise everywhere. 

[CDNRatMan]

    I did follow that quiet close and it was not really impressive.......

[49Reo]

This is a long (43 minute) video, but definitely worth watching. This took place in 2013 during the floods.

After watching this what country and what group did it remind you of?   

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/specialreports/archives/2014/12/20141208-145358.html

Regards,