Anybody use a "spare" fuel bottle. I know I've seen some posts on this subject here. I'm considering adding a quart or so or maybe even a whole litre (for you metric folks). SO looking for the best suggestions for a setup - Safe and Cheap.
I know they make aluminum bottles for camping to store camp stove fuel (basically gasoline) that would work (30 oz, or I've seen a 1.5L version) - and I could use a fire extinguisher bracket made to mount to a buggy roll bar - to mount said bottle to the frame somewhere..... But looks like I'd have $40 or somewhere in the neighborhood.
Looking to pick some brains for other better-cheaper ideas... Of course safety is the #1 criteria in the end.
Ideas?
Oh here we go. I have been looking at this because up here we have some long stretches between fuel points. when I first bought the bike and went on a ride to my sister's, and not sure of how far I could get. I did the poor man thing and filled a 2 liter soda bottle with gas. Not the safest thing to do.
Those aluminum bottles for white gas they do not vent, or most do not. If you are going to carry gas it needs to be in a container that vents.
I am looking at one of these,
http://www.jpcycles.com/product/721-352?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&device=c&network=g&matchtype=b&gclid=Cj0KEQiAl7KmBRDW6s-Xi_uT9OgBEiQAZdbbSd65WCrAdiXfGPol0Yb8SdCzW2HV0Z2t0qEhvRDS5d8aAhUw8P8HAQ
but have not been able to find one, in the local area. There is a company that does add on tanks for bikes but they are dear. So brain storming ideas now.....
Actually, I think you need one that "doesn't" vent, don't you? All of the gas cans sold around here, for the past several years, are required by CARB and EPA regulations, to be sealed (non venting). Makes 'em swell up like a balloon in the sun.
The JP cycles can you linked is evidently NOT vented (• Made of 6-ply HDPE NANO plastic creating a vapor proof (no fumes) barrier)
If you had a gas can vented on the bike, especially in the saddlebag, I think it would make a mess or at the least everything in the bag would smell of gas.
Ratty, if you want one of those, I can order one of those on my next JPC order, and you can pick it up on your way through to Drift IN....
Buy a couple of aluminum water bottles and brackets like cyclists us on their bikes. A couple of hose clamps to hold them to the crash bars and away you go....
;) ok know it has something to do with the venting. Can not remember which way it was, but I'll say you are right.
Quote from: greenbarn on January 31, 2015, 15:47:53 PM
Actually, I think you need one that "doesn't" vent, don't you? All of the gas cans sold around here, for the past several years, are required by CARB and EPA regulations, to be sealed (non venting). Makes 'em swell up like a balloon in the sun.
The JP cycles can you linked is evidently NOT vented (• Made of 6-ply HDPE NANO plastic creating a vapor proof (no fumes) barrier)
If you had a gas can vented on the bike, especially in the saddlebag, I think it would make a mess or at the least everything in the bag would smell of gas.
Ratty, if you want one of those, I can order one of those on my next JPC order, and you can pick it up on your way through to Drift IN....
AND with out a vent, they shrink down and collapse when it gets cold out, unless they are full.
Quote from: Troll on January 31, 2015, 17:44:09 PM
AND with out a vent, they shrink down and collapse when it gets cold out, unless they are full.
We don't put them in a freezer, and it will never get that cold during any riding season down this direction!!!
I actually use a fuel bottle (I just got a second one also). These are what I have in the 30 oz. size. It comes out to about 1/4 gallon per bottle.
http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11831-Fuel-Bottle-20oz/dp/B0015HV75O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379344743&sr=8-1&keywords=fuel+bottle
I don't really have actual mounts for them because I just throw them into the saddlebags. I've never had them leak yet but I also only carry them on trips or when I'm going for a long ride (I got lost once to the point I needed the GPS I brought and was on reserve when I got to the gas station so now I carry them lol). I have a smaller one that I use for my backpacking stove and I've never had issues with it leaking, and it not having a vent has never been an issue either and it stays in my garage year round. With temperature swings from summer to winter of over 100° F, I'd say that speaks well for the construction.
If you do decide to mount it to the frame somewhere, I would go with something like this (I have no idea if this actually fits the bottles or not) that covers the whole thing. It would be slightly unnerving hearing rocks or other road debris pinging off of the bottle as I was riding knowing it was filled with gas.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/98003_0021.htm
I use this mount in my Jeep, and they do a good job of securing an extinguisher.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/14018_120X_A_PG.htm
If you don't care about it being covered, and want it mounted, I would mount a plate to the frame and use a few hose clamps to attach the bottle to the plate. That would make it much cheaper.
You don't need to worry about venting, just don't over fill them - there's usually a line marked on the outside that indicates the max fill.
ok good idea with those and I do have a set of bags for long trips and could find a place for on of them to go someplace safe on the bike, 1/4 of a gal would get you far enough to really make you mad or to a gas station.
here is the one site I found
http://tourtank.com/index.html
Great find RatMan!
Tour Tank looks like just the thing at reasonable prices for my needs.
Thanks for the link.
Those fuel cells don't have a pump in them for the injection, so I'm not sure how you would feed your fuel system. Should work ok on a carbed engine,since gravity is ALMOST always available...
I'm pretty lucky, we have plenty of gas stations over here, although some are not open 24 hours and this meant that I had to slow down to stretch out the fuel back in 2013 when I did my Iron Butt ride. The drifter has a very good reserve compared to my other bikes. I did a round the coast of Britain, 4500 miles in 2012 on a Shadow 1100 which I had to push when it ran out.. No time limit on that one..
John.
also found this tonight...at half time.....
http://retrobikegear.com/biltwell-gasolina-bottle-red--13-gall13.html
Here's another thought.... Just thought of this.
http://www.amazon.com/TruFuel-6525638-50-Pre-Blended-Equipment/dp/B0062F5RYQ/ref=sr_1_cc_3?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1423016114&sr=1-3-catcorr&keywords=stihl+fuel
I think these are available at the hardware store. Buy a can of "canned gas", use it in the chain saw, and then use the can over for gas storage on the bike.... This makes it pretty cheap. If the lid will re-seal.
Break out a can of red spray paint, and away we go...
I wonder if they make those that aren't pre-mixed. If so, then you could have a completely sealed can of gas and not have to worry about whether or not it reseals.
Quote from: gdrudd13 on February 04, 2015, 09:43:25 AM
I wonder if they make those that aren't pre-mixed. If so, then you could have a completely sealed can of gas and not have to worry about whether or not it reseals.
That's true... I'll have to take a look.
Quote from: greenbarn on January 31, 2015, 11:01:27 AM
Anybody use a "spare" fuel bottle. I know I've seen some posts on this subject here. I'm considering adding a quart or so or maybe even a whole litre (for you metric folks). SO looking for the best suggestions for a setup - Safe and Cheap.
I know they make aluminum bottles for camping to store camp stove fuel (basically gasoline) that would work (30 oz, or I've seen a 1.5L version) - and I could use a fire extinguisher bracket made to mount to a buggy roll bar - to mount said bottle to the frame somewhere..... But looks like I'd have $40 or somewhere in the neighborhood.
Looking to pick some brains for other better-cheaper ideas... Of course safety is the #1 criteria in the end.
I use 2 one quart fuel containers filled with high octane fuel..... that I keep fresh and empty monthly into my mower gas.... and one 1/2 gallon of stabilized fuel from Amazon. But, I use a trailer. If I didn't have a trailer, I would find a way to haul a quart of fuel.... which would get me 10 miles down the road.... which is a long ways when you are pushing your bike!
(https://www.vulcandrifterriders.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMagic-Tank-Emergency-Fuel-Half-Gallon%2Fdp%2FB00GT0N7ZA%2Fref%3Dsr_1_13%3Fie%3DUTF8%26amp%3Bqid%3D1423163839%26amp%3Bsr%3D8-13%26amp%3Bkeywords%3Dspare%2Bgas&hash=f16f926472b48b116723a96d2269d5c34c008442)
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Tank-Emergency-Fuel-Half-Gallon/dp/B00GT0N7ZA/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1423164455&sr=8-13&keywords=spare+gas (http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Tank-Emergency-Fuel-Half-Gallon/dp/B00GT0N7ZA/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1423164455&sr=8-13&keywords=spare+gas)
I miss my gas gauge and my 225 mile range on my Goldwing.
Ideas?
Hey, look what i found.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-TruFuel-4-Cycle-Ethanol-Free-Fuel-6-Pack-6527238/203572162
Sure, it's $24 per gallon, but you get free storage cans (4 per gallon)
AND, it's:
--ethanol free
--stable for 5 years unopened (2 years opened)
--93+ octane
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-TruFuel-4-Cycle-Ethanol-Free-Fuel-6-Pack-6527238/203572162
So how about this:
In the spring, buy 2 cans at the hardware store (or a 6 pack)
Carry them around with you for the riding season.
Then in the fall, before storage, run down the fuel as low as you can, and pour whatever TruFuel you have left in your tank for stabilized winter storage???
TruFuel looks like a great idea.
Very expensive, but for certain situations it would be ideal.
And the can will be handy to reuse at the pump.
Hmmm, depending on the cap of course.
Will it reseal and not leak is the question.
The camp stove aluminum fuel bottles work well for that.
Somebody buy a can and let us know ;)
;) Let us see someone with a long trip planned and might need fuel should buy a 6 pack and take it along and see how it works, also check if the can is able to be reused and not leak. wonderful idea ...who has a long trip planned in the future...... 8)
Quote from: CDNRatMan on February 24, 2015, 11:22:43 AM
;) Let us see someone with a long trip planned and might need fuel should buy a 6 pack and take it along and see how it works, also check if the can is able to be reused and not leak. wonderful idea ...who has a long trip planned in the future...... 8)
I don't even have a short trip planned for a while....
I am hoping to have a couple of trips planned for spring, in around June or July, if the snow is gone then Ride for Dad in Kingston and visit moosewing for wings at the Lakeview Inn.......
One can will get you 10 to 12 miles down the road. That is quite a bit of "not pushing." I have a half gallon container of stabilized fuel that I now have for my trailer, but if I was traveling without the trailer, I would have 1 quart of this fuel with me. No doubt.
If 10 miles doesn't get you to a gas station, it could at least get you off the road.... in a safe place to find additional help.
I bought a couple of the MSR Fuel Bottle's just in case. The vent is built in to the cap so the pressure discharges as your taking it off.
http://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B002L1413S
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/twisted-throttle-s-msr-30oz-fuel-bottle
I have found the Storage Tubes for a very reasonable price if anyone is interested. There is a vent in the storage even though it's got a rubber gasket, go figure.
http://www.agrisupply.com/manual-canister-large/p/67670/
Elmo have you progressed anywhere with this project? I have a couple of ideas for the 800 and will move forward this week with that .
I did RatMan.
.....ok never thought of under the luggage rack, but then I have bottomed mine out once already. There is a difference between the 800 and the 1500 on how much the rear fender moves.
I have come up with an idea for the 800 for mounting them out of the way and relatively easy to put on and remove. Once I get the parts painted and the correct nuts and bolts not the ones I used for mock up I'll post on here. Thanks for sharing, I will check into that idea also.
I bottomed out also and had to move the bottles to side mount. I was very surprised at how much the fender moves.
Ok here is my solution to the fuel cell issues. I do a lot of riding in roads were there is few and not always open fueling places, so with a 5 gal tank I figured I wanted some extra back up just in case. So total cost of this project was less then $100.00 the bottles were like $18.00 ea., the carriers were $17.00 ea., then assorted nuts and bolts, paint from my shop and the piece of aluminum.
I have this designed so that I can take off the carriers and leave the flat bar in place. The Passenger grab rails are not effected in any way they are still usable. On a long trip my throw over saddle bags cover them, and yet they are readily accessible. This gives me 66 fl ozs of fuel that I'll not have to walk for....
I will try it for the summer and see how it works out.
That came out real nice RatMan. I like the insulated clamps you used, very clean look.
Thank you Sir.
Very nice! A couple of less miles on the shoe leather express!
This is one section that is really nice to drive. I did this in my truck and have always thought it would be a really nice long weekend ride , so you see the need for extra fuel.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_129