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Posted by jmbo
- October 31, 2013, 20:53:28 PMQuote from: greenbarn on October 30, 2013, 21:05:50 PMThere are several similar fonts under various names. In the case of Letter Head Fonts "Indian Script" their font is very close to the original but not all of the letters are completely accurate. (They call it "inspired by the classic Indian motorcycle") The devil is always in the details. The. differences will probably exclude them from harassment. Also there is an intriguing double edge sword in this. LHF already owns the copyright on their font. If Polaris makes too big a fuss about the similarities it may affect their rights to the "Indian" typestyle since LHF has prior art. What webs we weave.What do you think will happen with LH fonts "Indian Script"?? btw, did you notice LH now has Indian Script 2? Has a bunch of "swashes" added to it...
Posted by FloridaDrifter
- October 31, 2013, 19:37:27 PMQuote from: John Hopkins on October 30, 2013, 19:21:49 PMDidn't ask about top speed. Was able to get it up to near-highway speeds on the ride, so that doesn't reveal much, but she did handle it with plenty of hp to spare.Did they let you open the Indian up to find the top speed, would they even tell you the top speed.
John.
Posted by greenbarn
- October 30, 2013, 21:05:50 PMQuote from: jmbo on October 30, 2013, 20:59:07 PMSeems the proverbial cat is out of the bag. Between Feb 2012 and this past week "NDIAN MOTORCYCLE INTERNATIONAL, LLC now owns 31 trademarks (registered or pending) in the US federal trademark database (USPTO) for anything and everything related to "Indian motorcycles" from the classic Indian headdress logo to the classic Indian logotype. Wanna dress your Drifter with Indian script doodads, buy an Indian patch, decal, or sweatshirt, then buy now. Looks like they plan to protect what they bought. Buy now or buy from them.
What do you think will happen with LH fonts "Indian Script"?? btw, did you notice LH now has Indian Script 2? Has a bunch of "swashes" added to it...
Posted by jmbo
- October 30, 2013, 20:59:07 PMQuote from: jmbo on October 26, 2013, 18:36:52 PMSeems the proverbial cat is out of the bag. Between Feb 2012 and this past week "NDIAN MOTORCYCLE INTERNATIONAL, LLC now owns 31 trademarks (registered or pending) in the US federal trademark database (USPTO) for anything and everything related to "Indian motorcycles" from the classic Indian headdress logo to the classic Indian logotype. Wanna dress your Drifter with Indian script doodads, buy an Indian patch, decal, or sweatshirt, then buy now. Looks like they plan to protect what they bought. Buy now or buy from them.Spent my entire career working in the licensed product field. You'd crap a big one if you knew what people paid just to own a piece of a name and what lengths they will go to protect their investment. Here's a thought. Back in the late 70' early 80's the mighty mighty HD woke up and realized that anybody with a China connection was pumping out crap with HD logos on it and not paying a dime to the mother ship. They hired a licensing pro (someone I knew personally) and set up a licensing dept. The rest is history. If it says Harley, you pay the piper. Make a pair of boots with a teeny tiny HD logo on them and you pay a minimum of 10 percent of the wholesale cost to HD. My point is someone owns "Indian". If they choose. I said IF. They could sew up the name and anything associated with that name tighter than a schoolmarm's sphincter. So if I were you and I wanted a sticker, decal, emblem, patch, or whatever currently being produced by someone other than Polaris, you better buy it now 'cause I'm predicting here and now they are going to shut down anyone and anything that says "Indian" as an "infringement of their intellectual property rights"....and they can do it. Just ask Disney. That's Wall-street!
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 30, 2013, 19:21:49 PMQuote from: FloridaDrifter on October 27, 2013, 20:39:10 PMDid they let you open the Indian up to find the top speed, would they even tell you the top speed.Rode a chieftain in Daytona last week. Wow. Comfortable ride, lots of power and a TON of design features. Amazing balance and control.
Electronic throttle was difficult to get used to. Thought I was stalling the bike from a dead stop. Gives the bike a totally different feel.
Kept mashing my heel against the floorboard when shifting. There is no room for a heel/toe shift, engine is in the way.
About five minutes after my demo ride, I threw a leg over the 1500 and had a 100 mile ride that reminded me why it'll be a long time before I ride anything else.
John.
Posted by FloridaDrifter
- October 27, 2013, 20:39:10 PMRode a chieftain in Daytona last week. Wow. Comfortable ride, lots of power and a TON of design features. Amazing balance and control.
Electronic throttle was difficult to get used to. Thought I was stalling the bike from a dead stop. Gives the bike a totally different feel.
Kept mashing my heel against the floorboard when shifting. There is no room for a heel/toe shift, engine is in the way.
About five minutes after my demo ride, I threw a leg over the 1500 and had a 100 mile ride that reminded me why it'll be a long time before I ride anything else.
Posted by racinfan101
- October 26, 2013, 23:36:13 PMQuote from: jmbo on October 26, 2013, 18:36:52 PMYou are not a kidding!!Spent my entire career working in the licensed product field. You'd crap a big one if you knew what people paid just to own a piece of a name and what lengths they will go to protect their investment. Here's a thought. Back in the late 70' early 80's the mighty mighty HD woke up and realized that anybody with a China connection was pumping out crap with HD logos on it and not paying a dime to the mother ship. They hired a licensing pro (someone I knew personally) and set up a licensing dept. The rest is history. If it says Harley, you pay the piper. Make a pair of boots with a teeny tiny HD logo on them and you pay a minimum of 10 percent of the wholesale cost to HD. My point is someone owns "Indian". If they choose. I said IF. They could sew up the name and anything associated with that name tighter than a schoolmarm's sphincter. So if I were you and I wanted a sticker, decal, emblem, patch, or whatever currently being produced by someone other than Polaris, you better buy it now 'cause I'm predicting here and now they are going to shut down anyone and anything that says "Indian" as an "infringement of their intellectual property rights"....and they can do it. Just ask Disney. That's Wall-street!
Posted by gdrudd13
- October 26, 2013, 21:49:39 PMJeep did the same thing. Companies everywhere were making SUV's and calling them jeeps. Needless to say the "actual" Jeep didn't take too kindly to that. That's why all the magazines that are about Jeeps don't say it in the name (JP magazine, Jrations, etc).
Posted by jmbo
- October 26, 2013, 18:36:52 PMSpent my entire career working in the licensed product field. You'd crap a big one if you knew what people paid just to own a piece of a name and what lengths they will go to protect their investment. Here's a thought. Back in the late 70' early 80's the mighty mighty HD woke up and realized that anybody with a China connection was pumping out crap with HD logos on it and not paying a dime to the mother ship. They hired a licensing pro (someone I knew personally) and set up a licensing dept. The rest is history. If it says Harley, you pay the piper. Make a pair of boots with a teeny tiny HD logo on them and you pay a minimum of 10 percent of the wholesale cost to HD. My point is someone owns "Indian". If they choose. I said IF. They could sew up the name and anything associated with that name tighter than a schoolmarm's sphincter. So if I were you and I wanted a sticker, decal, emblem, patch, or whatever currently being produced by someone other than Polaris, you better buy it now 'cause I'm predicting here and now they are going to shut down anyone and anything that says "Indian" as an "infringement of their intellectual property rights"....and they can do it. Just ask Disney. That's Wall-street!
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 26, 2013, 18:34:51 PMQuote from: greenbarn on October 26, 2013, 13:46:00 PMI think they only recondition Indian motorcycles..I've looked at those before, too. Wouldn't that be nice? One thing I don't understand, though - how do they use the Indian name/logo, if Polaris owns it?
There is a firm in Scotland that claims they sell four in line Indians but they can only sell them in Scotland..
Reading between the lines, I get the impression they only made one or maybe two.
I'm pretty sure that if they become popular the Chinese will start selling them in China..along with everything else.
John.
Posted by Troll
- October 26, 2013, 15:37:07 PMDamn good question...any lawyers in the group (you probably won't admit it, though)?
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 13:46:00 PMI've looked at those before, too. Wouldn't that be nice? One thing I don't understand, though - how do they use the Indian name/logo, if Polaris owns it?
Posted by Troll
- October 26, 2013, 12:34:13 PMYa want a new Indian that actually LOOKS and runs like an Indian, but without the mechanical issues of a 60 year old motorcycle, then there is only a Kiwi....http://www.kiwiindian.com/
I can't afford one of these, either, but they at least, look the part. The Kings Mountain and Gilroy models were just kitted SofTails...
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 11:41:08 AMQuote from: racinfan101 on October 26, 2013, 10:33:37 AMMe neither, brother. Think of this:I think the Drifter captures that essence better as well than the new models. I guess time will tell if they catch on, they certainly are not in my price range!
You could buy 3 REALLY NICE 1500 Drifters, and still be under the price of one new Polaris Indian.
OR
You could buy 2 REALLY NICE 1500 Drifters, and do whatever you wanted to do with them, fix them up special, with whatever "normal" custom mods you wanted, and STILL be under the price of ONE new Indian.
OR
You could buy 1 Drifter, and turn it into a Super-Mod Ultra-Custom SHOW BIKE, and Still be under the price of ONE STOCK INDIAN.
Like I said, I can't justify anywhere near that price.
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 11:35:12 AMQuote from: Troll on October 26, 2013, 09:59:50 AMHEAVENS NO! Misunderstood me.And you trust the Wall Street Journal's opinion of motorcycles?
I wouldn't trust the Wall Street Journal's opinion on ANYTHING, or any other media for that matter. I've been involved with enough "newsworthy events" (and it only takes a couple, BTW) to know that nothing you read in media is accurate. Anything I ever know anything about on a factual-first-hand basis, that is reported in media is WRONG in some way shape or form. Sometimes worse than others...
I just meant that reading the article made me look at it from a different perspective, and made me realize that the vast majority of the public (Polaris' target audience) is not comparing the new Indian to our Drifter - They're comparing it to a Harley, or maybe the Gilroy or something, but most don't even know what a Drifter is. SO, maybe they (Polaris' target audience) will like it...
I'll keep a Drifter (or 2 maybe)... 