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Posted by bambam0099
- March 09, 2015, 07:48:34 AMQuote from: greenbarn on March 08, 2015, 13:11:24 PMThanks for the detailed writeup, appreciate it. Very interesting comments.I have a significant experience in powder-type balancing products,....
Posted by greenbarn
- March 08, 2015, 13:11:24 PMI have a significant experience in powder-type balancing products, so here is my take on it. I sell tires- car/truck, and for the last 6 years or so, we have gone to using powder balancing for larger pickup tires almost 100% and on semi tires 100%. This stuff has been used in the semi industry for a long time. It works. Undoubtedly. Having said that, I have not, yet, put any powder in any of my motorcycle tires - just because I haven't had a reason to do so yet. In theory a motorcycle tire is about the easiest type of tire to balance - narrow, light in weight, and the tread is very shallow so treadwear would have minimal effect on tire balance down the road (one big reason to use power in truck tires). Now, on my 1500 I have what I believe to be a tire shake at 40 MPH since I put the new tires on - and I do plan to put powder in them this spring to see if it has an effect.
Dynabeads are one particular brand of "powder" balancing product. Dynabeads should work equally well in a tubeless or a tube-type tire, if they will fit through the valve stem hole - which should be the same size in either type of tire - they both take an identical valve core. The thing is - on a tubeless tire, they don't HAVE to go in through the valve stem, you can put them directly in the tire by breaking the bead down on one side. With a tube-type tire, it HAS to go through the valve stem, which is quite small relative to the Dynabead size. I could be wrong on this, but I have read that the Dynabeads WILL go through the stem, but only one at a time - single file- so it is tedious to get them in there. I believe you have to put them in a little straw that fits onto your valve stem and "pour" them in there. Granted, you only need a couple of ounces, so it won't take forever, and only has to be done once.
However due to this inconvenience, I would think the smaller particle sized powders would be easier to use. I stock 2 different powder products - Equal is a smaller particle size product, and it can be installed with a "tool" that uses compressed air to force the powder in through the valve stem. That is what I will be using on my own. The other product I use, I believe is Magnum, which has larger beads (similar to Dynabeads) and will not go through the pneumatic machine to put it in - they have to be dropped into the tire through the beads. The particle size plays a different role when used for TPMS sensors - the Magnum works with TPMS, but the Equal is small enough to plug up the TPMS sensor hole.
The powder products basically all work the same. At road speeds the particles (and the mass of the particles) distribute around the circumference of the tire and absorb tire imbalance energy. Personally, I think they act much like a shock absorber, or "vibration absorber" than really "balancing" the tire - but the benefit to the driver are the same regardless of what you call it.
A lot of the powder balancing companies do not target the m/c industry due to liability and what have you. For example, Magnum has a disclaimer on their website: "There is no technical reason why Magnum Plus will not work in motorcycle tires. However,we do not endorse its use for motorcycle tires, because we have not done our own testing regarding its use in a variety of on and off road motorcycling activities, and therefore consider that a decision to use Magnum Plus in motorcycle tires must be left to individual owners/riders."
Posted by John Hopkins
- March 08, 2015, 07:05:28 AMYou won't have noticed this but white walls turn pink in the sun..
This is why they are so popular in San Francisco among Indians, construction workers, traffic cops and I forget the other groups, maybe village people.
John.
Posted by CDNRatMan
- March 07, 2015, 20:12:51 PM 
need white walls they are easier to balance........(now watch the fireworks)
Posted by bambam0099
- March 07, 2015, 19:01:52 PMInteresting. I hate the look of wheel weights so I might actually give these a shot after reading your responses. Plus the possibility of "self balancing" during the life of the tire sounds inviting.
Posted by CDNRatMan
- March 07, 2015, 17:42:55 PMNot the same but close.....
http://www.counteractbalancing.com/
My Brother-in-Law bought me a bottle for xmas this past year, he swears by them and he has them in his H-D, after a cross Ontario trip he said it was really great. He had them put in at the dealer, in tubeless tires.
He bought a bottle for my tire size and make of bike, so I decided to call the company and asked a few questions, I watched their you tube postings. So over the holidays I put the beads into the bike as per their instructions, very easy, simple. Inflated the tires, you can hear them in there in the house very quiet at 0400....lol....this spring I'll let you know if I find a difference or anything happens.
Posted by John Hopkins
- March 07, 2015, 17:09:18 PMYeah.. Apparently you insert them before you put the tube in, but I can't see why it wouldn't work after, they only go in the valve stem, the only concern seems to be that one of the beads may block the valve, but that is a spoken about concern, I've never heard anyone say it has happened to them..
There is an alternative called 'ride on' which is a gel that you squirt in, some riders prefer this because it will seal a 1/8th inch hole in a tubed tire and 1/4 inch hole in a tubeless tire without messing the tire up and it doesn't block the valve.
John.
Posted by Troll
- March 07, 2015, 17:02:33 PMMotorcycle Consumer News had a very low opinion of them, and said they were a PITA to get back out....
Posted by pcarrell
- March 07, 2015, 15:50:49 PMI didn't know you could do that.
Posted by John Hopkins
- March 07, 2015, 14:10:35 PMI have heard of people using them in tubed tires and with good results, but I have never used them myself, wheels are very easy to balance without them.
John.
Posted by pcarrell
- March 07, 2015, 10:56:52 AMNot sure how you'd make Dyna Beads work with an innertube.......
They work great in tubeless tire, but you can't use them with tubed tires as far as I know.
Just get new tires and rim strips, have the wheels trued and balanced, and you're in business.
Posted by bambam0099
- March 07, 2015, 09:31:10 AMI'm getting ready to order tires for my 1500 (just trying to make up my mind to go with white walls or not) and have been told by several people that I can do it myself and don't need wheel weights for balancing but, I don't buy that. I'm going to have my wheels balanced (unless convinced by someone here). A friend of mine pointed me to Dyna Beads http://www.innovativebalancing.com/index.php but it looks too good to be true.
Has anyone here had any experience with them and if so, how did it work out for you?
Thanks in advance to all responses