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Posted by greenbarn
- November 22, 2014, 07:34:03 AMQuote from: 49Reo on November 21, 2014, 14:33:03 PMI have had similar experiences. I worked a good part of my corporate life a quality engineer, the later as a validation engineer and validation manager. Wrote, reviewed, and approved many reports and policies. I was continually appalled at how poorly some people wrote - educated, degreed engineers, some of which had trouble making complete sentences. It's getting worse by the year, I'm sure. I've tried to instill this in my kids: how you communicate reflects how you are perceived by others. Now, fixing cars, all I have to worry about is spelling "spark plug"...I too have been writing reports most of my working life. Nothing would irritate me more than seeing reports others had written that my children could have done better. Funny; I too judged the professionalism of others by their spelling and grammar.
Quote from: 49Reo on November 21, 2014, 14:33:03 PM... The instructor at the college ...... She could not understand....
The epitome of "book smart but sidewalk stupid" .... This is why college educators have the stereotype of having no industry-related common sense. Isn't this why they say "those that can do, those that can't teach"...
Quote from: Troll on November 21, 2014, 15:39:56 PMThat depends on which side of the clock you're standing on, doesn't it??And so...we return to the question: Which way is clockwise?
Reminds me of SO MANY car drivers, that think the right (or left) side of the car depends on whether or not you're sitting in the driver's seat!?!? 
"my right front tire is leaking" "This right front tire?" "No, the other right tire, the one on the right when I come out to the garage"Posted by Troll
- November 21, 2014, 15:39:56 PMAnd so...we return to the question: Which way is clockwise?
Posted by 49Reo
- November 21, 2014, 14:33:03 PMQuote from: chief on November 21, 2014, 12:15:27 PMPhonics has been around since ...ahhh... me! I was in a class of the first kids to be exposed to it. But it was for reading, not for spelling! I learned how to sound out words, find root words and get an understanding of what the word meant. But we still had to spell the word properly.
I'm an engineer and a business owner. I have had to "write" and read reports for most of my life. In a technical report or business letter, spelling and grammar has a real impact. Maybe its just me, but I gauge the professionalism of the "reporter" by his/her written grammar and spelling. Those are different from informal writings like this... but we should know how to do both.
Have you paid attention to the phrasing and sentence structures of 19th century writers (professional and domestic)? They took time and paid attention to their communications. We have email!
Being ignorant and lazy is a sure path to slavery.
I too have been writing reports most of my working life. Nothing would irritate me more than seeing reports others had written that my children could have done better. Funny; I too judged the professionalism of others by their spelling and grammar.
Many years ago, I took a math upgrade course, as I found I was running in to more and more complexities in my job. The instructor at the college I was attending in the evening; she would put equations up for us to use. I had bought an expensive calculator, but was not using it. She questioned me as to why, saying I was free to use it. I told her I wanted to know how to do the math without a calculator first. When she asked why, I asked her how much good her course would do me if my calculator quit a hundred miles in the bush. She could not understand....
Posted by chief
- November 21, 2014, 12:15:27 PMPhonics has been around since ...ahhh... me! I was in a class of the first kids to be exposed to it. But it was for reading, not for spelling! I learned how to sound out words, find root words and get an understanding of what the word meant. But we still had to spell the word properly.
I'm an engineer and a business owner. I have had to "write" and read reports for most of my life. In a technical report or business letter, spelling and grammar has a real impact. Maybe its just me, but I gauge the professionalism of the "reporter" by his/her written grammar and spelling. Those are different from informal writings like this... but we should know how to do both.Have you paid attention to the phrasing and sentence structures of 19th century writers (professional and domestic)? They took time and paid attention to their communications. We have email!
Being ignorant and lazy is a sure path to slavery.
Posted by 49Reo
- November 21, 2014, 09:55:33 AMQuote from: Troll on November 20, 2014, 13:25:48 PMI don't know about the u.s., but up here correct spelling is not required anymore in schools; "phonetics" is the new rave. Plus, thats what spell-check is for....You are right about not listening, at least to the "normal" people who use their products...they took too much stock in the opinions of those "Millennials" who have their "smatrphones" virtually as an implant. This is a true cautionary tale: One of my grandchildren stopped by to talk to Grandma, during the week. She was at work, so I told him to call her, and pointed to my normal desk phone with the buttons....He couldn't figure out how to use it...now I hear they are not teaching kids how to read a clock face in school anymore, or cursive handwriting!!!!!!!
Posted by Troll
- November 21, 2014, 09:34:05 AMThe farther we get from the education all of us "old" people got in school, the worse it gets. I'm afraid I have to agree about the way things are going. The "third world" is doing what we should be doing, and we are becoming them...a role reversal that will take many generations to correct, if we even can correct it...
Posted by John Hopkins
- November 20, 2014, 21:06:54 PMQuote from: Troll on November 20, 2014, 13:25:48 PMI think we are going to lose a generation or two before we start to learn that basic education and mental arithmetic is important..unfortunately the Chinese are soaking it up like sponges and will soon leave us behind..The worst thing about it is that the one or two generations of our badly educated children will be the teachers of tomorrow..One of my grandchildren stopped by to talk to Grandma, during the week. She was at work, so I told him to call her, and pointed to my normal desk phone with the buttons....He couldn't figure out how to use it...now I hear they are not teaching kids how to read a clock face in school anymore, or cursive handwriting!!!!!!!
John.
Posted by Troll
- November 20, 2014, 13:25:48 PMYou are right about not listening, at least to the "normal" people who use their products...they took too much stock in the opinions of those "Millennials" who have their "smatrphones" virtually as an implant. This is a true cautionary tale: One of my grandchildren stopped by to talk to Grandma, during the week. She was at work, so I told him to call her, and pointed to my normal desk phone with the buttons....He couldn't figure out how to use it...now I hear they are not teaching kids how to read a clock face in school anymore, or cursive handwriting!!!!!!!
Posted by chief
- November 20, 2014, 11:36:40 AMQuote from: moosewing3 on November 18, 2014, 20:28:31 PMI actually like 8.1 other than it's a little quirky with Chrome. Does 10 run any better with Chrome?
I've used every windows since 3.0. I don't mind 8.1, its certainly crashes less than previous versions, but there are some things I dislike. They made getting to the guts of the OS difficult. I find it really strange they'd saddle a PC with a tablet OS, which is what 8.0 was and 8.1 still is. I think MS decided not to listen to their customers... sorta like the government. And, its burned them. Too many people sticking with 7.
I'm looking forward to a good OS again. I almost bought an... APPLE... I started with a TI 99/4a... then an Apple IIc.Posted by Troll
- November 20, 2014, 09:21:17 AMThat's a Win 7 theme I made for myself. Works in 10 just fine. You save it for "sharing" and put it somewhere you can easily find it, like on a flash drive. I'm running 10 in a dual boot configuration, but on a separate HDD so it doesn't mess with any of the 7 files. If you "upgrade" to 8.1 through the Win. Store (it's free) you can set the os to default to the desktop and then set up a partial start menu that sort of looks and works like that in 7 or Vista....They found of that MANY people didn't want their computers to look and work like a telephone, and that was the way they "fixed" it...Seems like they learned their lesson, so far, anyway
Posted by gdrudd13
- November 19, 2014, 16:12:51 PMnice background. I like that it has a start menu. I never like the interface for windows 8 although I can see how it would be nice for people who really use a laptop for basic purposes. Trying to do anything more and it seemed very clunky and time consuming. That could partly be due to my inexperience with it, but it was enough of a pain it became no longer a viable option as an OS for me.
Posted by Troll
- November 19, 2014, 15:43:30 PMHere's a screen capture of the desk top and the new start menu
Posted by Troll
- November 19, 2014, 08:01:30 AMSo far, everything works in 10 like it did in 7, and even some stuff I had from XP works the same way...I've been throwing every piece of software at it that I have, and the only thing that wouldn't work is an image stitching program from Win 3.1
Posted by moosewing3
- November 18, 2014, 20:28:31 PMI actually like 8.1 other than it's a little quirky with Chrome. Does 10 run any better with Chrome?
Posted by 49Reo
- November 18, 2014, 19:10:09 PMWhen I updated my laptop to Windows 7, it came with 2 licenses; but I like XP, so still haven't upgraded my desktop.....never do today what can be put off .......lol Not even sure the license would still be valid since I bought it 2 years ago