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Posted by racinfan101
- October 26, 2013, 23:36:13 PMQuote from: jmbo on October 26, 2013, 18:36:52 PMYou are not a kidding!!Spent my entire career working in the licensed product field. You'd crap a big one if you knew what people paid just to own a piece of a name and what lengths they will go to protect their investment. Here's a thought. Back in the late 70' early 80's the mighty mighty HD woke up and realized that anybody with a China connection was pumping out crap with HD logos on it and not paying a dime to the mother ship. They hired a licensing pro (someone I knew personally) and set up a licensing dept. The rest is history. If it says Harley, you pay the piper. Make a pair of boots with a teeny tiny HD logo on them and you pay a minimum of 10 percent of the wholesale cost to HD. My point is someone owns "Indian". If they choose. I said IF. They could sew up the name and anything associated with that name tighter than a schoolmarm's sphincter. So if I were you and I wanted a sticker, decal, emblem, patch, or whatever currently being produced by someone other than Polaris, you better buy it now 'cause I'm predicting here and now they are going to shut down anyone and anything that says "Indian" as an "infringement of their intellectual property rights"....and they can do it. Just ask Disney. That's Wall-street!
Posted by gdrudd13
- October 26, 2013, 21:49:39 PMJeep did the same thing. Companies everywhere were making SUV's and calling them jeeps. Needless to say the "actual" Jeep didn't take too kindly to that. That's why all the magazines that are about Jeeps don't say it in the name (JP magazine, Jrations, etc).
Posted by jmbo
- October 26, 2013, 18:36:52 PMSpent my entire career working in the licensed product field. You'd crap a big one if you knew what people paid just to own a piece of a name and what lengths they will go to protect their investment. Here's a thought. Back in the late 70' early 80's the mighty mighty HD woke up and realized that anybody with a China connection was pumping out crap with HD logos on it and not paying a dime to the mother ship. They hired a licensing pro (someone I knew personally) and set up a licensing dept. The rest is history. If it says Harley, you pay the piper. Make a pair of boots with a teeny tiny HD logo on them and you pay a minimum of 10 percent of the wholesale cost to HD. My point is someone owns "Indian". If they choose. I said IF. They could sew up the name and anything associated with that name tighter than a schoolmarm's sphincter. So if I were you and I wanted a sticker, decal, emblem, patch, or whatever currently being produced by someone other than Polaris, you better buy it now 'cause I'm predicting here and now they are going to shut down anyone and anything that says "Indian" as an "infringement of their intellectual property rights"....and they can do it. Just ask Disney. That's Wall-street!
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 26, 2013, 18:34:51 PMQuote from: greenbarn on October 26, 2013, 13:46:00 PMI think they only recondition Indian motorcycles..I've looked at those before, too. Wouldn't that be nice? One thing I don't understand, though - how do they use the Indian name/logo, if Polaris owns it?
There is a firm in Scotland that claims they sell four in line Indians but they can only sell them in Scotland..
Reading between the lines, I get the impression they only made one or maybe two.
I'm pretty sure that if they become popular the Chinese will start selling them in China..along with everything else.
John.
Posted by Troll
- October 26, 2013, 15:37:07 PMDamn good question...any lawyers in the group (you probably won't admit it, though)?
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 13:46:00 PMI've looked at those before, too. Wouldn't that be nice? One thing I don't understand, though - how do they use the Indian name/logo, if Polaris owns it?
Posted by Troll
- October 26, 2013, 12:34:13 PMYa want a new Indian that actually LOOKS and runs like an Indian, but without the mechanical issues of a 60 year old motorcycle, then there is only a Kiwi....http://www.kiwiindian.com/
I can't afford one of these, either, but they at least, look the part. The Kings Mountain and Gilroy models were just kitted SofTails...
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 11:41:08 AMQuote from: racinfan101 on October 26, 2013, 10:33:37 AMMe neither, brother. Think of this:I think the Drifter captures that essence better as well than the new models. I guess time will tell if they catch on, they certainly are not in my price range!
You could buy 3 REALLY NICE 1500 Drifters, and still be under the price of one new Polaris Indian.
OR
You could buy 2 REALLY NICE 1500 Drifters, and do whatever you wanted to do with them, fix them up special, with whatever "normal" custom mods you wanted, and STILL be under the price of ONE new Indian.
OR
You could buy 1 Drifter, and turn it into a Super-Mod Ultra-Custom SHOW BIKE, and Still be under the price of ONE STOCK INDIAN.
Like I said, I can't justify anywhere near that price.
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 11:35:12 AMQuote from: Troll on October 26, 2013, 09:59:50 AMHEAVENS NO! Misunderstood me.And you trust the Wall Street Journal's opinion of motorcycles?
I wouldn't trust the Wall Street Journal's opinion on ANYTHING, or any other media for that matter. I've been involved with enough "newsworthy events" (and it only takes a couple, BTW) to know that nothing you read in media is accurate. Anything I ever know anything about on a factual-first-hand basis, that is reported in media is WRONG in some way shape or form. Sometimes worse than others...
I just meant that reading the article made me look at it from a different perspective, and made me realize that the vast majority of the public (Polaris' target audience) is not comparing the new Indian to our Drifter - They're comparing it to a Harley, or maybe the Gilroy or something, but most don't even know what a Drifter is. SO, maybe they (Polaris' target audience) will like it...
I'll keep a Drifter (or 2 maybe)... 
Posted by racinfan101
- October 26, 2013, 10:33:37 AMFrom what I can tell in the pictures I like the new Indians but I do not Love them, and my verdict is still out on the Chieftan fairing. I liked the looks of pre-2014 models better, they had more of the essence (to me at least) of the original. I think the Drifter captures that essence better as well than the new models. I guess time will tell if they catch on, they certainly are not in my price range!
Posted by Troll
- October 26, 2013, 09:59:50 AMAnd you trust the Wall Street Journal's opinion of motorcycles? All it takes to get a good road test from most media outlets is the right amount of money to the right person. MCN road pre-production models at the Sturgis debut and found problems with them...so far they are the only ones who didn't proclaim them perfect...
Posted by greenbarn
- October 26, 2013, 09:39:54 AMHuh? Well, the Wall Street Journal apparently disagrees with everybody on this forum:
The Indian Motorcycle Returns in All Its Glory
The classic motorcycle, with troubled financial past, is back and it looks wonderful
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303615304579153423569705100
(this from the "general bike news" section of the forum, which a lot of folks probabaly don't look at.)
I'll have to admit there are a lot of things I don't like about the new Indian, starting with the batwing and the fitted panels. I got to thinking, though, and I thought that obviously we (Drifter owners) are spoiled by having a close relationship with the Drifter. I got to thinking that most people, even most bike owners, have never seen a Drifter. Seems like a "normal" evolution of a brand, if you consider the recent re-makes of all the muscle-car brands; Mustang, Camaro, Charger. Not that many people would buy a brand new Mustang without all the modern conveniences like the modern cars have (dash, seats, power everything, etc).
So, I'm thinking MOST people (who don't know the Drifter even exists) probably think the new Indian is acceptable, and maybe a lot of them even like it. I still think they're un-attractive in many ways (but that's compared to my Drifter). We have no other choice but to compare it to our beloved Drifters..... I still won't own a new Indian, even if I really liked it, because I could not justify $20,000 on a motorcycle. That's more than I paid for my last truck (or any truck).
Maybe the new look will grow on us. I remember that most new truck models that ever came out I didn't like as well as the older model, but usually got used to them eventually.
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 26, 2013, 07:50:40 AMThank you for your efforts Troll, I really like the look of the engine it makes the drifter engine look shabby..but..although I like the look, I think that in 2013 it should be water cooled, I'm sorry but as I said before, I can't see any air cooled engine running for hours stuck in a big traffic jam, but what a beautiful engine to park in a showroom or at a bike show..The rest of the bike..well I don't like the batwing and I'm not too keen on all the fitted 'Goldwing style' side panels, so thanks to your efforts I have changed my opinions of the new Indians.
It is a shame that big business dictates what we can make and copy because the drifter is a great bike and instead of bringing it out in a range, like the VN2000, it will no longer be made..I predict that because Indian have started to produce a new range the drifter will become a working collectors bike not too far in the future.
To sum up, I can't see myself owning a new Indian.
John.
Posted by Troll
- October 23, 2013, 09:07:12 AMI'm thinking that mechanically, it's going to be good, and reliable, but some of the styling just turns me off. It fits me, as far as reach and control placement, which is important, but I just don't know if I could live with it, every day. The price is more of a deterrent than anything. Having only purchased 1 new motorcycle (no new cars) in my life, I can easily wait for this thing to come down in price on the used market...unless I die first. There is one little detail you don't see in the press photos that kind of bothered me... everything that isn't chromed (and most things that are) says "Indian" on it...including the neck, just ahead of the tank. Seems like they saw a place with nothing on it and decided to put the logo there so you wouldn't forget.
Posted by dakuhosu
- October 23, 2013, 07:56:26 AMYou'll be the coolest guy in Spain, no doubt.