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Posted by CDNRatMan
- October 15, 2013, 09:00:38 AMnot sure were you are with this update or repair right now, but I would clean up everything really good and take a close look at the sprockets and it is a new chain so that is good to go, if the sprockets look good then I would just go ahead and close up you have the right sprockets on according the book of GreenBarn, and soon I will be up to his standard also. Just need to do chain maintenance and adjustments and we are good to go. I check my chain prior to every ride and I have had to do one adjustment all summer, so now I'll see once I check things for the winter, and clean in and around the front sprocket, just because.
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 15, 2013, 07:48:31 AMQuote from: Boaski on October 13, 2013, 17:58:47 PMThat is coming from your wallet.Well, I put on a new DID X ring chain. I cleaned the sprockets before I put it on. It was a royal pain getting the new connecting link plate stuck on. The holes in the link plate were about .0005" smaller than the pins that needed to go in them. After I got it in we reworked a pointed tool for the pneumatic rivet gun. That worked much better than the pin tool I used last time.
Anyhow... the question I have is; should I put new sprockets on since I put a new chain on? The sprockets that are on there were put on about 8K miles ago, but look good. I rode around the block (about 8 or 10 miles) and need to adjust the chain. No "clunk" yet, but I do notice a different whine.
John.
Posted by DC
- October 14, 2013, 07:03:58 AMQuote from: CDNRatMan on October 05, 2013, 20:38:45 PMOld to some, but not to my wives. Take my vitamins, exercise, conduct a few HD exorcisms, etc. It's all in a days work and keeps me young and fit.50 years old......wow almost as old as DC, he had a tex as a pet when he was young........anyway
Posted by Boaski
- October 13, 2013, 17:58:47 PMWell, I put on a new DID X ring chain. I cleaned the sprockets before I put it on. It was a royal pain getting the new connecting link plate stuck on. The holes in the link plate were about .0005" smaller than the pins that needed to go in them. After I got it in we reworked a pointed tool for the pneumatic rivet gun. That worked much better than the pin tool I used last time.
Anyhow... the question I have is; should I put new sprockets on since I put a new chain on? The sprockets that are on there were put on about 8K miles ago, but look good. I rode around the block (about 8 or 10 miles) and need to adjust the chain. No "clunk" yet, but I do notice a different whine.
Posted by CDNRatMan
- October 05, 2013, 20:38:45 PM50 years old......wow almost as old as DC, he had a tex as a pet when he was young........anyway
ok good idea about a new chain, and it is money well spent. Stupid hurts longer when you get older is correct and bones take longer to heal, an I do not heal anywhere as fast as I used to.......
I did the 18T front and was impressed, but please do not tell GreenBarn his head will swell and he will not get his helmet on.......this winter I am doing the rear sprocket to a 38T as well.
Hope this cleans up any issues.
Posted by greenbarn
- October 05, 2013, 20:06:23 PM18/38 - like you said, best upgrade ever for the 800...
Posted by Boaski
- October 05, 2013, 19:53:47 PMQuote from: CDNRatMan on October 05, 2013, 17:41:10 PMNope, I've decided that I'm not putting it back together without installing a new chain. I feel like the bikes given me "fair warning" and I'm going to listen. I'm 50 years old & really don't feel like flopping down the highway. I've had bikes throw me down before, the last one being about 3 years ago when my GT380 had the front brake lock up. It started to drag, but I was close to home and thought "I'll just limp it home". Funny thing happened when I pulled onto my stone driveway.So now presuming that you have cleaned it all and made it tidy, and put everything back together, has the noise left?
Stupid hurts longer when you get older.
If it's something else, at least I'll know I did something to help the situation.
BTW; I'm running a 38T rear sprocket.
Posted by CDNRatMan
- October 05, 2013, 17:41:10 PMSo now presuming that you have cleaned it all and made it tidy, and put everything back together, has the noise left?
Posted by Boaski
- October 05, 2013, 16:22:03 PMIn answer to a couple questions:
Yes, it's an O ring chain.
Yes, I already put on a 18 tooth drive. I put in a smaller than stock rear sprocket too. Best modification I've done.
When I put the new sprockets on last year I did not change the chain as I was told it didn't have many miles on it. Since it was an O ring chain I had to rivet in a new master link. I was never happy with the job I did staking the pins. I have used chain wax on this chain for the last 2 years. I did not do a good enough job of cleaning the chain before lubing it.
The thought of a normal connecting link really appeals to me.
Posted by Troll
- October 05, 2013, 15:53:17 PMIs that an "O" ring chain? If it is, then even soaking it in kerosene for a while won't help..but it will destroy the "O" rings...
Most people think you don't need to lube "O" ring chains, but the sprockets need love too. Tsubaki makes a nice 530 chain, as does Diamond. I perfer the "normal" chains to the sealed ones for 2 very good reasons. 1, you can't really lube an "O" ring chain, at least not to the point where you can get the tight spots they develop out, and 2, standard chains, beside the advantage of a spring clip master link, are WAY CHEAPER than the high tech chains. I lube and adjust every 500 miles, always have. My "W" is chain drive, and all the H-Ds I've had in the past were,too.
Posted by Drift1
- October 05, 2013, 15:46:50 PMBoaski or being the cover is already off order up the 18 tooth sprocket while your waiting like JH said , " Give that area a good cleaning " and you just killed 2 birds with 1 stone 
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 05, 2013, 15:36:34 PMActually that doesn't look too bad, not too much wear on the chain or the sprocket..
Why not remove the chain and clean it properly, leave it soaking in some kerosine overnight, then dry it and while it is soaking clean all the dirt from the track area and behind the sprocket..then lubricate the chain and refit it..
I think you have quite a bit of life left in that...by the time you need to replace the chain you will probably need a new sprocket as well.
John.
Posted by Boaski
- October 05, 2013, 14:19:58 PMI put the bike up on the lift today. Once I pulled the drive sprocket cover off you could see some problems.
This picture is AFTER I scraped out the crud below.
After I looked closer at the connecting link I could see a rusty spot in the pivot area:
I've put a little over 8K miles on the chain that's on it. I think a combination of crud build up, chain wear and my poor maintenance crated a bad situation.
Anybody have a chain they recommend?
Posted by CDNRatMan
- October 04, 2013, 11:53:21 AMSorry JH the 800 does not have a center stand, or if it does I have lost mine.....
but a good lift will allow the bike to be off the ground to do the rest of John's checks which sound good.
Posted by John Hopkins
- October 04, 2013, 11:12:39 AMI think the 800 has a centre stand..if this is correct I would put the bike up on the centre stand and rotate the rear wheel to see if it makes a small click..sometimes the chain can ride up on the sprocket and then jump a tooth..the wear on the sprocket teeth is harder to spot with the chain fitted..but they do wear..
then I would start the engine and put it in first gear, this will get the rear wheel moving..it might be sensible to tie the front end down so that the back wheel doesn't touch the ground..
if the noise occurs and is from the engine you can hold a large screwdriver to the negine casing and press the handle to your ear or even the bones of your skull, this way you can locate where the noise is loudest..
If still no noise you can remove the chain and rear fender and check for bearing movement by holding the wheel at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and push with one hand and pull with the other to check for movement..
Finally a badly worn brake pad (or broken shoe if fitted) can sound quite alarming..
It may be none of the above but it gives you a starting point.
John.