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Posted by chief
- August 15, 2013, 09:48:54 AMQuote from: mbk on August 15, 2013, 09:06:27 AMWell, you know somewhere down the road... perhaps long after we are gone, an original bike will be worth more than one which has been modified. But in the foreseeable future I don't think making the bike your own will have much impact on the value.With the Drifters being so rare, do I lose value painting mine? Seems like my 2004 silver/black is quite common among the Drifters, and I really want to make it a nice nostalgic Indian red - but am I lowering the value by doing so, since I'll never get it back to stock? perhaps best thing to do is find used fenders and tank to apint so i can keep all the stock parts intact? Mike
Posted by mbk
- August 15, 2013, 09:06:27 AMWith the Drifters being so rare, do I lose value painting mine? Seems like my 2004 silver/black is quite common among the Drifters, and I really want to make it a nice nostalgic Indian red - but am I lowering the value by doing so, since I'll never get it back to stock? perhaps best thing to do is find used fenders and tank to apint so i can keep all the stock parts intact? Mike
Posted by CDNRatMan
- August 12, 2013, 14:53:38 PMPC just shows how much I value my ride.....lol.....and it makes a really nice xmas tree.
Posted by pcarrell
- August 12, 2013, 14:03:00 PMQuote from: chief on August 02, 2013, 10:10:49 AMLike Ratman's living room in January!... really rare in some places.
Posted by chief
- August 02, 2013, 10:10:49 AMMy original post indicated how many total were sold throughout the WORLD... later an Aussie member got more info about his country... 50 99/00 1500's... no later models were imported to Australia.
While it would be nice to have a nation breakdown, the fact remains - these are rare bikes ... really rare in some places.
Posted by Washbrook
- August 01, 2013, 08:32:27 AMI need a panadol (thats Advil to youAmericans).
Posted by Troll
- August 01, 2013, 07:50:38 AMOk, so here's another mystery. My W-650 was built in May of 2000, and it's a 2000...my Drifter was built in July of 2000 and it's a 2001...but in fairness, it's an R not a J, so there is a big production change from J to R. The changes they made to the W-650 from 2000 to 2001 are more like the differences between a J-1 and a J-2.
Posted by greenbarn
- July 31, 2013, 21:31:12 PMQuote from: Washbrook on July 31, 2013, 18:40:49 PMConfusing it further, just like in cars: The same bike in Phil's example, built in 1999 (let's say Sept.) - (but model year 2000) - , delivered to the dealer, let's say Nov '99, and let's say it's in a slow market and doesn't sell until 2002, then is titled as a 2002! SO now what is it?? Is it a '99, a 2000 or a 2002? As far as the DMV (and probably your insurance) is concerned it is a 2002, but realistically, it is a 2000. I don't even consider anything but the 10th digit of the VIN - which tells the model year. This is what determines definitively what version it is. I've seen cars built as early as April (rarely) and June (often) that bear the next year's 10th digit designation (e.g build date 6/2003, but 10th digit "4" - takes parts for a 2004).Thanks Philip. This is a confusing, and convoluted topic based on when, where, what etc. A pity Kawasaki Japan could not come out with a definitive exact statement based on their records that would eliminate all confusion.
Quote from: Washbrook link=topic=18150.msg49612#msg49612 date=1375314049<br />A formal written request from Chief [Head of VDRbtw: I think that's "Chief [Chief Indian of VDR]"to Kawasaki Japan Head Office asking for a full break down by model, year and country etc might get a response.
Posted by Washbrook
- July 31, 2013, 18:40:49 PMThanks Philip. This is a confusing, and convoluted topic based on when, where, what etc. A pity Kawasaki Japan could not come out with a definitive exact statement based on their records that would eliminate all confusion.
A formal written request from Chief [Head of VDR] to Kawasaki Japan Head Office asking for a full break down by model, year and country etc might get a response.
Posted by pcarrell
- July 31, 2013, 12:36:44 PMBoth comments are correct. Like the new model year of car is available in September, so to it is with bikes. You can buy a 2000 model year bike in late 1999, but it still is a 2000, with whatever updates a 2000 model has, and it's titled as a 2000. The new model year of bikes doesn't actually go on sale January 1.
Terry is right thought in that I mistakenly said no 800's were available in the United States until '01. I must have been half asleep when I posted that because I know that 2000 model 800's were available in the U.S. and 800's arrived in Canada in 1999.
Posted by Washbrook
- July 30, 2013, 18:50:21 PMFurther feedback:
I posted some of this information on a facebook group page [ https://www.facebook.com/groups/86884781539/10151504727976540/?notif_t=group_comment ] and included a link back to this discussion. I received this response from a Terry Rogers who is in Asheville, North Carolina.
RE: "HOW MANY DRIFTERS MADE" --Part of this comment by Philip Carrell is wrong: "The 1500 was from '99 to '05, the 800 was from '00 to '06, with no 800's going to the U.S. until '01 (though Canada got them in '00, making those like RatMan's blackout 800 more rare still)".
He indicated: "The Drifter 800 was sold in the U.S. beginning in late 1999, the color choices were Beige, or Sky Blue. My 2000 Drifter 800 was ordered by the dealership I worked at, MR Cycles, and arrived in the crate in Dec 1999."
I have no idea who is correct but thought it worthwhile posting this. I think sometimes information gets a little confusing and contradictory, it is all a complicated research project.
Regards
Posted by Washbrook
- July 30, 2013, 18:25:55 PMGriz01,
Based on the email response from Kawasaki Australia your summary sounds correct. He did say approximately so the numbers may be plus or minus 1 or 2 but lets say 50 all up for simplicity. Your suggestion of the year registered in lieu of titled may be correct however the 2000 model that was mentioned could have been a J2 that was imported late in 1999 [I recently bought the then new 2013 model Yamaha V Star in late 2012]. I could go back and seek clarification but it took me long enough to get this response and I'm not sure I want to wait another few months, if they can / will tell me exact details. They were helpful and I appreciate them giving me the response they did.
If anyone is quoting something different then:
a) Kawasaki Australia gave me the wrong details [possible but unlikely]
b) The bike is a private import [something impossible for me to track down]
c) They have made a mistake, or
d) They are being creative with the truth (read - talking crap). [I see no reason or benefit for anyone doing this so not my first choice]
I read in a post somewhere of a guy [in QLD I think] who quotes himself as owning a mid 90's Drifter [pre-dating the 1999 models]. He then explained that he did a conversion of a Vulcan 1500 into a Drifter so I am not sure how to classify it and of course it wold not be in the number supplied by Kawasaki.
In case you are interested I think my Drifter is J1 607, [bike is away getting repaired so I cannot check] which if I am reading it correctly is number 607 made in 1999, not one of the first but a reasonably early bike.
Regards
Posted by griz01
- July 30, 2013, 09:37:18 AMQuote from: chief on July 29, 2013, 16:27:30 PMOK, So if I read this right, 50 J1's were imported to Australia in 1999: 49 were sold in 99 as 99's and one of those original 50 was sold as a 2000? Titled for the year sold not year made? So nothing but J1's were ever officially imported?How Many Drifters were sold world Wide?
The Kawasaki Drifter was imported in to Australia for the 1999 Model Year. There were approx 50 units sold in 1999-2000. There was one 2000 Model Year unit sold, sales were slow of the Vulcan 1500 Drifter model and it was not imported again after 1999.
Posted by Washbrook
- July 29, 2013, 18:34:08 PMChief,
Are you asking how many were sold world wide? I assumed your original post was correct at approx 9000. Or have I misread your post?
Posted by chief
- July 29, 2013, 16:27:30 PMHow Many Drifters were sold world Wide?
I have been trying to get a definitive answer on how many Drifters were sold in Australia. Kawasaki Australia sent me a response today which blew me away:
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Dear .
The Kawasaki Drifter was imported in to Australia for the 1999 Model Year. There were approx 50 units sold in 1999-2000. There was one 2000 Model Year unit sold, sales were slow of the Vulcan 1500 Drifter model and it was not imported again after 1999.
Thank you for your enquiry.
Kind regards,
Murray Sayle
Homologation, Industry Relations & Technical Marketing Assistant
Kawasaki Motors Pty Ltd
Unit Q, 10-16 South Street
Rydalmere, NSW, 2116, Australia