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Posted by CDNRatMan
- June 06, 2013, 19:03:59 PMok time for another lesson on Canada for Mr. GreenBarn......
I have listed what is required in Ontario for your M/C license. Quebec is different. Ontario does not have the mandatory course. We have a graduated license system. We also do not have immatriculation. We have to have our insurance paid, and we pay for our tags yearly or every two years. As for my grumpy mood....never, I am for the most part upbeat and good to go...........money is not needed we just need enough to ride.....
Posted by greenbarn
- June 06, 2013, 17:00:12 PMQuote from: Nanook on June 06, 2013, 14:43:28 PMMAN, so the $500-$1200 annual "immatriculation" (I had to look that one up btw) is more or less a "property tax"just want to add the Quebec-Canada way for motorcycle license.
-Mandatory course (16 hours theory, 22 hours practice (16 hours closed vircuit, 5 hours on the road) 700$
-after the theory you have to pass a computer test to get a licence to drive during the course 30$ wait 28 days if you fail and pay again!
-A month after your first test if you completed the course with success you can pass the MOST closed course ability test 80$, wait a month if you fail and pay again!
-If you succeed you have an apprentice licence, wich give you the right to ride with another driver that has been licensed for over two years. Tolerance to alcool is 0 and you can't ride with a passenger.
-12 month after this test you have to pass a road test 100$ so you can finally drive alone! waith two month if you fail and pay again!
-you are now really happy you get your final licences wich cost about 90$ annually, and buy a nice bike that cost between 500$ or 1200$ annually for immatriculation alone, depending is it's considered a sport bike or not.So for the first year it is a big investment between 1500$ and 2200$ not counting the motorcycle and even after that they still get a lot of money out of your pocket!
That all adds up to a BUNCH of dough. It's no wonder Ratman is usually in such a grumpy mood! 
Well, it's a good thing he's got all that money under his mattress, so he can afford to ride!!!
Posted by CDNRatMan
- June 06, 2013, 16:51:07 PMNanook what about insurance too......
Posted by Nanook
- June 06, 2013, 14:43:28 PMjust want to add the Quebec-Canada way for motorcycle license.
-Mandatory course (16 hours theory, 22 hours practice (16 hours closed vircuit, 5 hours on the road) 700$
-after the theory you have to pass a computer test to get a licence to drive during the course 30$ wait 28 days if you fail and pay again!
-A month after your first test if you completed the course with success you can pass the MOST closed course ability test 80$, wait a month if you fail and pay again!
-If you succeed you have an apprentice licence, wich give you the right to ride with another driver that has been licensed for over two years. Tolerance to alcool is 0 and you can't ride with a passenger.
-12 month after this test you have to pass a road test 100$ so you can finally drive alone! waith two month if you fail and pay again!
-you are now really happy you get your final licences wich cost about 90$ annually, and buy a nice bike that cost between 500$ or 1200$ annually for immatriculation alone, depending is it's considered a sport bike or not.
So for the first year it is a big investment between 1500$ and 2200$ not counting the motorcycle and even after that they still get a lot of money out of your pocket!
Posted by greenbarn
- April 09, 2013, 17:53:14 PMQuote from: CDNRatMan on April 09, 2013, 17:13:59 PMI think the test post was very informative and surprising how much people take for granted on were they live and how things are done..... I enjoy reading your posts so keep them coming....
+1
Posted by CDNRatMan
- April 09, 2013, 17:13:59 PMI think the test post was very informative and surprising how much people take for granted on were they live and how things are done..... I enjoy reading your posts so keep them coming....
Posted by chief
- April 09, 2013, 16:59:25 PMQuote from: Troll on April 09, 2013, 14:53:35 PMYep La Crosse was a good brand... no more IMHO.We were sold that same bill of goods. Just as an example, one of the biggest employers in LaCrosse moved to china, shut down it's factory here, and now its a 100 empty building with a so-so restaurant in it. La Crosse Footwear used to be a big deal, now it's fake chinese crap. All the unions were told about the potential land of milk and honey, but they all got vinegar.
Posted by John Hopkins
- April 09, 2013, 15:18:50 PMAlthough some of my posts may seem to be moaning about the way things are..they are not intended as a moan, or a boast, they are just information about the other side of the English speaking world..Although I may not seem happy with things the way they are, I am still happy to live in Britain as it si now..my complaints are not really complaints about the country but more a nostalgia for the way things used to be..
I visited the USA in the mid sixties and loved the country, at that time I was in my early twenties and found that the country ran in much the same way as Britain, Australia and New Zealand did at that time, sure you had a successful space program but you also had old valve TV's and radios, we had the same mix of old and new and a fair share of American companies..I worked for Bell & Howell, Kodak, and 3M at different times. and my travels around the world gave me a hunger for interaction with different people and a need to learn more of the way others lived..One thing I did learn is that you can never go back and expect the places and people to remain unchanged, and if you stay in one place you don't notice the changes as much as someone who left and has come back...
Silly to add to the motorcycle test post, but it's still just information..
John.
Posted by Troll
- April 09, 2013, 14:53:35 PMWe were sold that same bill of goods. Just as an example, one of the biggest employers in LaCrosse moved to china, shut down it's factory here, and now its a 100 empty building with a so-so restaurant in it. La Crosse Footwear used to be a big deal, now it's fake chinese crap. All the unions were told about the potential land of milk and honey, but they all got vinegar.
Posted by John Hopkins
- April 09, 2013, 14:42:29 PMMid seventies I was living in Auckland New Zealand..Those prices were London and of course in the mid sixties before everything went bad..by the seventies we had become part of Europe and everything died...
Just for information and with no political axe to grind..
The Idea was that we would join the common market and convert from imperial measurements so that our factories with their new expensive tooling would have a new vast european market to sell to..
So we left ft and ins and turned to metres and cm's..all the factories were changed to supply the new market and when it came time to repair all the new housing built after the war, none of the new sized bricks would tie in with the old ones, the new pluming didn't match the old, and there were so many european factories that had been turning out metric pipes, bricks and other stuff for over 100 years, that our new factories couldn't compete, so they closed down.
I left Britain for New Zealand in 1971 for seven years because I could see the writing on the wall..two years later the whole of britain went on a three day week because there just wasn't enough work..
John.
Posted by chief
- April 08, 2013, 19:22:23 PMSeems to me mid 70's in Scotland petrol was about three times more expensive than the USA (59 cents a gallon here)... but utilities were about a third as expensive... its all relative I suppose.
Posted by John Hopkins
- April 08, 2013, 18:49:57 PM1965 in England gas was around 25cents a gallon allowing for the exchange rate at the time and that was an English gallon which consisted of 160 fluid ounces so we were not so heavily taxed in those days..and the icing on the cake was it was served by young blond topless girls...until the local council shut them down..
I was torn between riding enough miles to use half a gallon and not getting back to the pumps in time..the queues were five miles down the road..
John.
Posted by Troll
- April 08, 2013, 16:28:36 PMActually, gas was around 15 cents or so...and Florida, at least where I was, largely uninhabited. My grand parents lived right on US 1, in W Palm Beach. You could stand in the road and hear a car coming before you could see it. I used to hunt land crabs and lizards behind their house with a bb gun....The kids down the block had a Triumph T-Bird, and they let me take it out during the day, since they were in summer school. I visited my G'parents 2 years in a row, and then I bought my first bike...a '46 EL (61 inch) knuckle in about a million pieces. My parents just figured that it was something they would have to haul to the dump...until I got it running one night
Posted by CDNRatMan
- April 08, 2013, 16:17:19 PMmmmmmm 63 in Florida, so it was a state by then....0.50 cents for a beach buggy......and a gallon of gas was 0.25 so that makes you..........
lol........
Posted by Troll
- April 08, 2013, 15:23:05 PMBack, more or less, on topic.....We bend over backwards here to make it (too) easy for a Wis. resident to get a class M endorsement. The majority of the licensing is done by the Rider Ed. schools by way of a law that went into effect in 1992. Trans. 129 allows the issuance of a waiver of road test by the school, as long as the student passes with a successful score on the test given at the end. The school doesn't actually do the licensing, the waiver of road test must be turned in at a local DMV and exchanged for an endorsement, We did away with the requirement for an instruction permit if the person elects to go through the rider ed system. They still have to take the "written" test, but it's now free. If a person decides to take a riding test conducted by the state, we have a thing called the M.I.T. Stands for motorcycle in traffic. The person must first hold an instruction permit, and then he is issued a receiver that allows the examiner to follow in traffic, give directions, and observe. The trans 129 waiver system has become so popular, the state has eliminated most of the MIT test stations...Personally, I think it's way too easy, but the 33% unlicensed figure remains. 3 years ago, the state sent out nastygrams to households with a registered motorcycle, but no class M endorsement...200,000 letters..go figure. I got my motorcycle license in New York, and it really wasn't easy back in 1967......Started riding in '63 in Florida, where 50 cents got you a beach buggy/motorcycle license....