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Posted by Troll
- April 12, 2013, 08:00:30 AMIn the beginning class, we want them to have all fingers on the levers so they remember to do it when faced with an emergency. Having one or two applying the brake means that they cannot generate enough brake force for a really quick, controlled stop at their level of skill. In the ARC, we not only ignore the number of fingers the student is using, but we teach trail braking in corners.
Posted by chief
- April 12, 2013, 07:44:36 AMAfter this many years my fingers are where they are going to be... its served me well.
As a certified safety professional of a#$@#$ years... I know most safety dogma is common sense and intended to be guidelines... wait a few years and it will change. As a NSC driver safety trainer we tell folks to cover the brake in traffic situations, coming to red lights etc... no difference in my mind to covering the brake on the bike IMHO.
Posted by greenbarn
- April 12, 2013, 07:40:41 AMSo I want to know what's so bad about a finger or two on the controls? It seems to me, you have quicker reaction and more control that way....
Posted by DC
- April 12, 2013, 06:29:00 AMQuote from: CDNRatMan on April 11, 2013, 22:26:04 PMHA! Penguins! I haven't heard that term in years. I wonder what the kids call them now.Bake ...old man.....lol you are of my vintage then you will know...I went from kindergarten to grade 9 with Penquins as teachers. Lord they were a tough bunch, and I remember the strap on more then one occassion, putting a hair on your plam to cause it to bleed does not work, and when the teachers punished you for ..and really stupid stunts you pulled does not seem to have caused much harm now did it......At least unlike Troll, PC and Chief we did not have to use cave drawings to learn from......we had our slate and boards to use.....lol......
Anyway, I also was getting told about fingers on the controls during the course. Those habits are hard to break.
Posted by CDNRatMan
- April 11, 2013, 22:26:04 PMBake ...old man.....lol you are of my vintage then you will know...I went from kindergarten to grade 9 with Penquins as teachers. Lord they were a tough bunch, and I remember the strap on more then one occassion, putting a hair on your plam to cause it to bleed does not work, and when the teachers punished you for ..and really stupid stunts you pulled does not seem to have caused much harm now did it......At least unlike Troll, PC and Chief we did not have to use cave drawings to learn from......we had our slate and boards to use.....lol......
Posted by greenbarn
- April 11, 2013, 20:42:58 PMBetter yet, skip the nice leather saddle. Mount one of these. It would allow you to ride longer with no stops. 
Posted by greenbarn
- April 11, 2013, 20:35:44 PMQuote from: Drift1 on April 11, 2013, 18:37:20 PMweld itWell Greenbarn that's the whole reason I posted this,good catch.I figured being the mod expert here,with all the tools and knowledge you would be able to help me out
...lol that was funny though.
Posted by David Baker
- April 11, 2013, 19:48:00 PMGreenBarn if I had been the instructor I would have been whacking your fingers with a stick.....only should have had to tell you once.....
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RatMan... I didn't know you were a Nun... lol
Posted by Drift1
- April 11, 2013, 18:37:20 PMWell Greenbarn that's the whole reason I posted this,good catch.I figured being the mod expert here,with all the tools and knowledge you would be able to help me out ...lol that was funny though.
Posted by greenbarn
- April 11, 2013, 18:33:22 PMThat is sharp, man. But the mount looks a little unstable, don't you think? 
Posted by Drift1
- April 11, 2013, 18:12:23 PMJust received a picture of my seat completed from Singh,man I can't wait to install this.
Posted by CDNRatMan
- April 11, 2013, 17:58:41 PM 
Yes I too used to have to really think while teaching not to cover the levers with my fingers during the street bike courses, then teaching the dispatch riders course for the military it was allowed......
GreenBarn if I ahd been the instructor I would have been whacking your fingers with a stick.....only should have had to tell you once.....
Posted by Troll
- April 11, 2013, 17:44:35 PMRemember, this was a BEGINNER class. We want the controls covered with all the fingers, or none, and the grips held firmly. The big problem is when the beginner death grips the controls, and grabs the levers. Teaching finesse is one of the hardest parts. When I'm doing a demo, I have to remember to take a couple of power walking steps as I start, instead of just picking up my feet and going...
Posted by greenbarn
- April 11, 2013, 17:30:43 PMQuote from: CDNRatMan on April 11, 2013, 09:08:17 AMI got yelled at about 6 times a day for doing that when I was taking the bike safety course!! I often use 2 fingers on the levers, 2 on the grip. Old habit from riding on dirt track, I guess. The instructor didn't like it. at all...... So what I did was to place my hands on the bars and my fingers on the levers, thumbs under the grips. This gives a really nice relaxed grip and total control ....
Posted by CDNRatMan
- April 11, 2013, 09:08:17 AMfound that the bars are a lot different then my old bike. I had the tendancey to grip these bars tight for some odd reason, and could not figure out why. So what I did was to place my hands on the bars and my fingers on the levers, thumbs under the grips. This gives a really nice relaxed grip and total control ....