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Posted by pcarrell
 - January 22, 2013, 16:45:47 PM

To be honest, I've had Continental Milestone WWW's and Metzeler 880 WWW's, and they're both TL rated and I've had no problems.  I change the rim strips and tubes every time.  I haven't had any issues, but I'm not a knee dragger.  I'm pretty mild in my riding.

Posted by John Hopkins
 - January 22, 2013, 15:56:27 PM

OK now that we have established that we should use tubed tires on spoked wheels, here is the real question..What tires are marked TT these days, because I am having trouble finding them...

As far as Avon is concerned the cobra is the one they recommend, but that is TL rated..

John.

Posted by John Hopkins
 - January 17, 2013, 13:14:44 PM

It seems to me that you have the same views I have, that the manufacturers thought about what they were doing and had good reasons for doing it..

I'm beginning to like this machine..

John.

Posted by chief
 - January 16, 2013, 17:22:50 PM

Yep, its important to recognize that rims are different from tubed vs tubeless tires...

Here are two pics illustrating what Troll is saying. (Thanks to Patten for the pics).
Posted by Troll
 - January 16, 2013, 17:00:35 PM

If you look at the pic from Darkdrifter, showing the wheel he powdercoated, and enlarge it (ctrl key +) you will see there is no bead retaining rib.

Posted by chief
 - January 16, 2013, 16:58:17 PM

Most modern rims are for tubeless tires... as troll says older spoke rims might not work with tubeless tires.

As to converting from spokes... there is a process which welds each hole (but still doesn't make it a tubeless rim). And, there are spoke style wheels that will work... they aren't really spokes. Plus you can use non-spoke wheels...
http://www.vulcandrifterriders.com/wheels.html
http://www.vulcandrifterriders.com/makwheel.html
http://www.vulcandrifterriders.com/reviewpost/showcat.php?cat=55
Posted by pcarrell
 - January 16, 2013, 15:02:17 PM

Gadget has a link on his site ( http://www.gadgetjq.com/tww.htm ) but I'm not brave enough for it. 

Posted by Troll
 - January 16, 2013, 11:59:01 AM

There are some considerations for mounting tires on wheels far beyond merely sealing the spoke holes. The basic design of the wheel rim is the single most important factor. Tubeless wheels have a bead retention rib cast into the wheel that is supposed to prevent tire bead unseating during high side loads or in a low pressure situation. Tube wheels do not have this bead retention rib. This does not always work, but without it, there is nothing to retain the bead at all.
http://blog.unsafemotorcycles.com/2010/08/dunlop-402-among-array-of-problem.html
I've don a lot of research on this subject in the last couple of years due to 2 pending law suits.

Posted by John Hopkins
 - January 16, 2013, 08:19:43 AM

Here's a question for some of you that ride long distances..

Have any of you converted your spoked wheels to run tubeless tires, I know it is sometimes done on bicycles and lighter motorcycles, but the 1500 drifter is a very heavy bike and I am more interested in safety than I thought I was..

So if you have converted to tubeless I would be interested in any problems..and if you haven't is it because you think it might be unsafe on curves at speed..

Thoughts and opinions would be welcome..

John.

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