Curious about main jet size

Started by rob f, December 16, 2019, 17:20:11 PM

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rob f

Now that winter is over I have had a chance to try out  the bike with the new main jet. I decided to install a 144 ( dyno-jet) jet. Previous was a 136. I also moved up the needle clip from #3 to #2 to compensate for the larger jet bore. Happy to report that the experiment worked. I have noticed an improvement in 5th gear on hills and in wind. 1/4 to 3/4 throttle acceleration is excellent and 3/4 and up is somewhat better. Where i notice the improvement is the lugging ability in 5th. Do not have to shift down into 4th as much. I still have do not have the power to pass at high speeds. I think that i have to tell myself that this is still only an 800 cc bike and it's as good as it gets.
My final setup now is: 144 dynojet
Clip at #2
pilot jet 48
3 turns on idle mix
k&n air filter with Ram air box
17/40 sprockets
Debaffled OEM muffler
Large windsheild with lowers
Solo rider @ 175lbs


greenbarn

I followed the gramp-size instructions several years ago, and cleaned up the air intake a LOT, it had Hard Krome classics on it, and I put in a K&N filter.

https://www.vulcandrifterriders.com/mods/grampsize.pdf

If I recall, I'm using the 170 main and 52 pilot (Keihin numbers)

No Worries

Lucky

Ah, I didn't note that you are in "Northern Texas" - sorry about that - When I bought Scout, she had the 160 in her.. which is likely the ONLY reason she ran, due to rust in tank and crap in carb. Personally, from your setup, I would say you are jetted just about right. I too prefer a little rich, as running a little cooler doesn't hurt anything, but lean is mean, and HOT

I have both the barndoor and a fatboy clipon windscreen .. it's just ow getting chilly enough for me to consider putting the barndoor back on.. nice to hide behind, but pretty high drag. but, Heck, it's Dallas -- unless it's a deluge I can ride roughly most of the time .. but 115 is a bit toasty!

"Scout"  800 Drifter
900 classic rear shock
18/ 38t gearing
Michelin Commander II mt/90-16 front 150/80-16 rear
1 3/4 turns on A/F, 1st clip,48 pilot, 160 main - 41mpg
K&N
Marbled and Modified airbox
Vulcan Classic 800 sissy bar
Viking saddle bags

Near future
135 main / 42 pilot

rob f

 Well thanks for the insights. Will have to give her a go in about 5 months when the snow disappears.
One thing that i haven't done yet is check my plugs and should have done this before i started the post. I don't have a heated shop and the wife won't allow me to bring the bike into the house. Will have to wait untill it warms up a bit.
The plugs will tell the tale. Just before winter hit us I had a chance to take it on a 3hr highway cruise and run it 3/4 throttle or more for most of the trip.
Black plugs means too large a jet , white plugs means too small of a jet. I like to err on the richer side myself. Too lean is asking for trouble.
I have had a fair bit of experience with carbs and know that my a/f is good and my mid range is good. Was just curious as to what size mains other 800's where running. Takes me awhile to get mail order up here in the sticks and thought that I would order a few sizes ahead of time.
I am not a fan of radical modifications so my bike is only slightly modded. I may have to accept that without major mods this is what i have to live with.
My set up is.......... K&N air filter, marbled, partially modified air box, partially de-baffled OEM exhaust,  Dyno-jet  carb kit installed,new plugs, valve clearance checked, running seafoam in premium fuel, Had 18/38 sprocket but went back to 17/40 to get more torque in 5th gear.
My 5th is running about 4500 - 5000 rpms around the 75mph range. She just can't sustain that on a big hill or in a strong head wind. Shifting down is the only option but don't want to run 6000 rpms in 4th to hold the speed.
My biggest issue i think is the windshield. It was large to start with and then i added lowers and some small extensions.  I've got the equivalent of half a sheet of plywood up front holding me back.
R


Lucky

#2

First and foremost
dynaojet sizes are LARGER than everyone else's sizes
https://www.jetsrus.com/FAQs/FAQ_mikuni_vs_dynojet_vs_keihin_sizes.htm

a dj136 is everyone else's 140

secondly, the main is only important past 1/2 OPEN, not necessarily RPM or speed, but the actual lift of the slider. unless you are in high RPMs, which is the normal buttdyno way to test performance, a larger main isn't going to help you .. that is, if you are cruising in 5th and have to romp the throttle to get up a hill, and the engine doesn't REV!!!!, you should just down shift, as a larger main won't do anything for this circumstance

so, here's a test -- and it's backwards from what you are asking, but try it anyway --

find a hill that is fairly close by and offers a challenge.. go hit it 2-3 times, just as normal, helps if you have a stop watch and get a feel for it.. decide what gear and what speed you hit this in, and stick to it.

then remove your airfilter and repeat -- this is actually LEANING the bike by allowing more airflow

is there a noticeable difference, other than the really cool sound of air rushing in? i bet there is zero to "its faster with the aircleaner off"

then, put the AC back on, and down shift before the hill .. i tend to baby my bike, so this was a little strange for me -- but going from 3800 rpm to 4600 isn't going to hurt her (i use a cheapo $9 tach ziptied to my bars) and see if she goes up the hill better.

just for reference, i am (now) 225# 6'4, and yes, she climbs better now that i've lost 50#

changing the main larger  without MAJOR changes to the exhaust and air system isn't going to yield much, except she'll run a little cooler

have you adjusted your A/F mixture screw? what tooth sprockets ?

"Scout"  800 Drifter
900 classic rear shock
18/ 38t gearing
Michelin Commander II mt/90-16 front 150/80-16 rear
1 3/4 turns on A/F, 1st clip,48 pilot, 160 main - 41mpg
K&N
Marbled and Modified airbox
Vulcan Classic 800 sissy bar
Viking saddle bags

Near future
135 main / 42 pilot

rob f

 I am still struggling with getting a bit more power out of my 800 and am looking at changing the main jet. Right now I am running a DJ136 which was the biggest jet in the dyno jet kit that i installed. The bike seems to be running nice through all the ranges but uphill and against the wind the throttle is wicked right out. I see that in some posts that guys say that they are running a 155 main jet. Now is that a DJ number or a Keihin number? A DJ 155 tranlates over to a Keinin 170. My OEM jet was a 135.
Anybody know what main jet you have in your bike?
Rob


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