British motorcycle test

[chief]

Well, we (TN) pay a couple of fees... a privilege tax of $25 and the registration fee... unless you get a vanity plate it costs less than $50 regardless of the vehicle. Of course when you title the vehicle in TN you have to pay or show you have paid sales tax.

[DC]

There are some states in the US that charge "property tax" on vehicles that is due every year when your license renews.  OHIO is NOT one of them, thankfully, but they charge you for plenty of other stuff.   This Property tax is based on the vehicle's value, and from what I can understand can be quite high.   Nothing like paying for a vehicle 2 or three times over the course of time that you own it...

A guy that worked for me transfered out from Washington state, where they have the property tax.  He was moving in to Virginia, which also has the vehicle tax.  It ended up he had to back pay Washington, and ALSO pay Virginia.  So in other words, he paid two vehicle taxes and couldn't get out of it.

[Nanook]

Forgat to mentio that we also have a 15% sale's taxe that is also applicable on used moto and is paid directly to the registering office....just to make matter worst!

[CDNRatMan]

Wen I left Goose Bay LB my tags were free because we lived in an isolated community, drove to Colorado Springs......went to register my truck for the tags......lol $450.00 they wanted........after a few hours of dickering and phone calls about military and what we need I got my tags for $150.00.....strange....but so is life......

[greenbarn]

There are some states in the US that charge "property tax" on vehicles that is due every year when your license renews.  OHIO is NOT one of them, thankfully, but they charge you for plenty of other stuff.   This Property tax is based on the vehicle's value, and from what I can understand can be quite high.   Nothing like paying for a vehicle 2 or three times over the course of time that you own it...   

[DC]

   Like I said before, you guys are more than welcome to move down here.   

[CDNRatMan]

  ok time for another lesson on Canada for Mr. GreenBarn......

I have listed what is required in Ontario for your M/C license. Quebec is different. Ontario does not have the mandatory course. We have a graduated license system. We also do not have immatriculation. We have to have our insurance paid, and we pay for our tags yearly or every two years. As for my grumpy mood....never, I am for the most part upbeat and good to go...........money is not needed we just need enough to ride.....

[greenbarn]

just want to add the Quebec-Canada way for motorcycle license.
-Mandatory course (16 hours theory, 22 hours practice (16 hours closed vircuit, 5 hours on the road) 700$
-after the theory you have to pass a computer test to get a licence to drive during the course 30$ wait 28 days if you fail and pay again!
-A month after your first test if you completed the course with success you can pass the MOST closed course ability test 80$, wait a month if you fail and pay again!
-If you succeed you have an apprentice licence, wich give you the right to ride with another driver that has been licensed for over two years. Tolerance to alcool is 0 and you can't ride with a passenger.
-12 month after this test you have to pass a road test 100$ so you can finally drive alone! waith two month if you fail and pay again!
-you are now really happy you get your final licences wich cost about 90$ annually, and buy a nice bike that cost between 500$ or 1200$ annually for immatriculation alone, depending is it's considered a sport bike or not.

So for the first year it is a big investment between 1500$ and 2200$ not counting the motorcycle and even after that they still get a lot of money out of your pocket!

MAN, so the $500-$1200 annual "immatriculation" (I had to look that one up btw) is more or less a "property tax"

That all adds up to a BUNCH of dough.  It's no wonder Ratman is usually in such a grumpy mood!      Well, it's a good thing he's got all that money under his mattress, so he can afford to ride!!!

[CDNRatMan]

Nanook what about insurance too......

[Nanook]

just want to add the Quebec-Canada way for motorcycle license.
-Mandatory course (16 hours theory, 22 hours practice (16 hours closed vircuit, 5 hours on the road) 700$
-after the theory you have to pass a computer test to get a licence to drive during the course 30$ wait 28 days if you fail and pay again!
-A month after your first test if you completed the course with success you can pass the MOST closed course ability test 80$, wait a month if you fail and pay again!
-If you succeed you have an apprentice licence, wich give you the right to ride with another driver that has been licensed for over two years. Tolerance to alcool is 0 and you can't ride with a passenger.
-12 month after this test you have to pass a road test 100$ so you can finally drive alone! waith two month if you fail and pay again!
-you are now really happy you get your final licences wich cost about 90$ annually, and buy a nice bike that cost between 500$ or 1200$ annually for immatriculation alone, depending is it's considered a sport bike or not.

So for the first year it is a big investment between 1500$ and 2200$ not counting the motorcycle and even after that they still get a lot of money out of your pocket!

[greenbarn]

I think the test post was very informative and surprising how much people take for granted on were they live and how things are done..... I enjoy reading your posts so keep them coming....

+1

[CDNRatMan]

I think the test post was very informative and surprising how much people take for granted on were they live and how things are done..... I enjoy reading your posts so keep them coming....

[chief]

We were sold that same bill of goods. Just as an example, one of the biggest employers in  LaCrosse moved to china, shut down it's factory here, and now its a 100 empty building with a so-so restaurant in it. La Crosse Footwear used to be a big deal, now it's fake chinese crap. All the unions were told about the potential land of milk and honey, but they all got vinegar.

Yep La Crosse was a good brand... no more IMHO.

[John Hopkins]

Although some of my posts may seem to be moaning about the way things are..they are not intended as a moan, or a boast, they are just information about the other side of the English speaking world..Although I may not seem happy with things the way they are, I am still happy to live in Britain as it si now..my complaints are not really complaints about the country but more a nostalgia for the way things used to be..

I visited the USA in the mid sixties and loved the country, at that time I was in my early twenties and found that the country ran in much the same way as Britain, Australia and New Zealand did at that time, sure you had a successful space program but you also had old valve TV's and radios, we had the same mix of old and new and a fair share of American companies..I worked for Bell & Howell, Kodak, and 3M at different times. and my travels around the world gave me a hunger for interaction with different people and a need to learn more of the way others lived..One thing I did learn is that you can never go back and expect the places and people to remain unchanged, and if you stay in one place you don't notice the changes as much as someone who left and has come back...

Silly to add to the motorcycle test post, but it's still just information..

John.

[Troll]

We were sold that same bill of goods. Just as an example, one of the biggest employers in  LaCrosse moved to china, shut down it's factory here, and now its a 100 empty building with a so-so restaurant in it. La Crosse Footwear used to be a big deal, now it's fake chinese crap. All the unions were told about the potential land of milk and honey, but they all got vinegar.

[John Hopkins]

Mid seventies I was living in Auckland New Zealand..Those prices were London and of course in the mid sixties before everything went bad..by the seventies we had become part of Europe and everything died...

Just for information and with no political axe to grind..

The Idea was that we would join the common market and convert from imperial measurements so that our factories with their new expensive tooling would have a new vast european market to sell to..

So we left ft and ins and turned to metres and cm's..all the factories were changed to supply the new market and when it came time to repair all the new housing built after the war, none of the new sized bricks would tie in with the old ones, the new pluming didn't match the old, and there were so many european factories that had been turning out metric pipes, bricks and other stuff for over 100 years, that our new factories couldn't compete, so they closed down.

I left Britain for New Zealand in 1971 for seven years because I could see the writing on the wall..two years later the whole of britain went on a three day week because there just wasn't enough work..

John.

[chief]

Seems to me mid 70's in Scotland petrol was about three times more expensive than the USA (59 cents a gallon here)... but utilities were about a third as expensive... its all relative I suppose.

[John Hopkins]

1965 in England gas was around 25cents a gallon allowing for the exchange rate at the time and that was an English gallon which consisted of 160 fluid ounces so we were not so heavily taxed in those days..and the icing on the cake was it was served by young blond topless girls...until the local council shut them down..

I was torn between riding enough miles to use half a gallon and not getting back to the pumps in time..the queues were five miles down the road..

John.

[Troll]

Actually, gas was around 15 cents or so...and Florida, at least where I was, largely uninhabited. My grand parents lived right on US 1, in W Palm Beach. You could stand in the road and hear a car coming before you could see it. I used to hunt land crabs and lizards behind their house with a bb gun....The kids down the block had a Triumph T-Bird, and they let me take it out during the day, since they were in summer school. I visited my G'parents 2 years in a row, and then I bought my first bike...a '46 EL (61 inch) knuckle in about a million pieces. My parents just figured that it was something they would have to haul to the dump...until I got it running one night 

[CDNRatMan]

  mmmmmm 63 in Florida, so it was a state by then....0.50 cents for a beach buggy......and a gallon of gas was 0.25 so that makes you..........

lol........

[Troll]

Back, more or less, on topic.....We bend over backwards here to make it (too) easy for a Wis. resident to get a class M endorsement. The majority of the licensing is done by the Rider Ed. schools by way of a law that went into effect in 1992. Trans. 129 allows the issuance of a waiver of road test by the school, as long as the student passes with a successful score on the test given at the end. The school doesn't actually do the licensing,  the waiver of road test must be turned in at a local DMV and exchanged for an endorsement, We did away with the requirement for an instruction permit if the person elects to go through the rider ed system. They still have to take the "written" test, but it's now free.   If a person decides to take a riding test conducted by the state, we have a thing called the M.I.T. Stands for motorcycle in traffic. The person must first hold an instruction permit, and then he is issued a receiver that allows the examiner to follow in traffic, give directions, and observe. The trans 129 waiver system has become so popular, the state has eliminated most of the MIT test stations...Personally, I think it's way too easy, but the 33% unlicensed figure remains. 3 years ago, the state sent out nastygrams to households with a registered motorcycle, but no class M endorsement...200,000 letters..go figure. I got my motorcycle license in New York, and it really wasn't easy back in 1967......Started riding in '63 in Florida, where 50 cents got you a beach buggy/motorcycle license....

[CDNRatMan]

We wouldn't want to inconvenience any non-citizens with the laws we pass for citizens

not even going to respond to that because it will just make me mad that I who have served for 40+ years in MY military, and upon retirement I can not draw from UI, even though since the age of 17 I have been a regular contributor, why, because I am getting my little pension, yet someone who has never held a job in this country, be they just lazy or here because they want the benefits....and they can draw it.....some how does not seem correct to me....but I am not going to get into that ....it would be politically incorrect........

[chief]

Wow, John... sounds a lot like the USA!! We wouldn't want to inconvenience any non-citizens with the laws we pass for citizens.

[John Hopkins]

Our state DOT estimates that about 66% of Wisconsin motorcycle operators are licensed, the rest are faking it...is there any estimate in the U.K.

It is difficult to estimate our illegal drivers in this country as we have open borders, thousands of illegal insurgents cross the channel from France every week, we manage to combat this by making regular cuts in the staffing levels of border control and immigration staff and our police try not to interfere with anyone using European number plates, anyone driving an unregistered car who claims they are only visiting for the day and cannot speak English is usually waved through spot checks and ignored by speed camera operators..

The police help out by not chasing anyone who has stolen a vehicle in case they hurt someone, but they always take a nice photograph of them which is their way of enforcing the law.

However the rest of us all pull together to make up the short fall in parking and speeding tickets so it all works out ok.

John.

[CDNRatMan]

ok in Ontario because each province has slight variances in their licensing progression...

Graduated Licensing for Motorcycles Riders
New drivers applying for their first car or motorcycle licence must enter the Ontario graduated licensing system. This system is a 2-step process, which is usually completed over a 20-month time-span.

This is an optimal period of time to allow the new driver to acquire the skills and the necessary driving experiences that are very essential to becoming a confident and safe driver.

Level One (Class M1) requirements
Level One (Class M1) lasts a minimum of 60 days. It is valid for 90 days. Make sure to book Level One (Class M1) road test ahead to avoid a long delay.

Class M1
As new motorcycle riders with a Class M1 Licence you have to ride under following conditions:

Your blood alcohol level must be zero;
You must ride only during daylight hours (1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset);
You must not ride on highways with speed limits of more than 80 km/h except highways 11, 17, 61, 69, 71, 101, 102, 144, 655;
You cannot carry passengers.

Once you pass motorcycle knowledge test, you will get a Class M1 Licence and an information package for new riders. You must spend a minimum of 60 days with a Class M1 Licence, which is valid for 90 days.

Motorcycle riders who successfully complete an approved motorcycle safety course that includes a road test with an M1 Licence are exempt from taking the ministry's M1 road test and can move to an M2 Licence after 60 days.

If you complete an approved safety course in either level, you can reduce the time that you must hold an M2 Licence from 22 to 18 months. While the motorcycle safety course certificate is valid for two years from its issue date, it may only be used for the M1 road test exemption within six months of its issue date.
With a Class M1 Licence, an operator can drive a moped, limited-speed motorcycle and a motorcycle.

Class M2
You must pass an M1 road test or complete an approved motorcycle safety course before receiving a Class M2 Licence. You must have a Class M2 Licence for a minimum of 22 months.

If you complete an approved motorcycle safety course, you may reduce this time requirement by four months. With an M2 Licence, you gain more privileges - you may ride at night and on any road. However, at this level:

Your blood alcohol level must be zero;
You will be eligible to take a Class M road test after you have completed the time required with an Class M2  Licence;
You must pass this test to get a Class M Licenc
Note: Class M2 and Class M Licence holders may also drive Class G vehicles under the conditions that apply to a Class G1 Licence holder.
With a Class M2 Licence, the operator can drive a moped, limited-speed motorcycle and a motorcycle.